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Site and Policy » Policy update regarding AI content » Topic Opener
The Frowning Pony
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The bullet points:
- New
ai generatedimages will no longer be allowed on the site- That is, images created by AI with little or no human involvement, will be banned
- This limit will be put into effect [December 14 2024]
- ‘ai content’ images (which includes
ai generated) have already been copied to tantabus.ai ai generatedimages will start being removed after [January 6 2025]
- A new tag,
ai composition, has been created for images using AI that are allowed- These are images where AI was used to create significant parts of the image, along with significant edits and direction from a human
- There will be a significant quality expectation placed on images of this nature
- Currently, upload of these images will be limited by user to one per 24 hour period
- Currently, the site’s default filters and “trending” query will hide these images
- Check the full tag description, our FAQ, and this page
- For other AI related content:
ai assisted- where minor elements were created with AI, such as background or detail itemai interpretation- images fully redrawn by an artist based on something ai generatedai reference- additional tag for the above where the ai generated image is included in the imageai voice- where ai generated voice is used for animations or comics
- tantabus.ai has been set up for those interested in MLP related ai imagery
- Like e621 and e6ai, this is a separate site, with separate databases, rules, funding, etc.; a couple of initial staff exist on both, much like with Furbooru.
AI Composition
Basic concept
While images generated fully by an AI, or with very little editing, will be banned, we will still allow images that were made using AI. These fall under the same rationale as photobashing, where an artist uses pieces of existing photos to create new art, or basic 3D and “paperdoll” applications, where an artist uses premade models and props to create a new scene.
That is, we will allow a category of images where AI was used as a creative tool by a human. Examples:
- A fleshed out sketch (ie. not a stick figure) used as a base, with AI used to clean and add details
- Extensive inpainting and manual editing beyond simple fix correction, where the result varies significantly from any simple generated image
- Using multiple AI generated images stitched together and properly edited to fit and create a new image
- “Photobashing”, but using AI to create the pieces rather than raiding pinterest or artstation
- Note that this does not mean simply creating comics/sequences; each “panel” should be its own composition
Quality
Images under this category will not be allowed to have any “AI issues”, as the expectation is for there to be extensive review and editing by their creator. AI and modern free image editing tools, such as Krita or Photopea, make fixing these sort of issues much easier than in years past, so we do not see a valid excuse for letting them pass.
Please see [this page] for a list of example issues staff will use as criteria. Some staff on our discord server will be happy to assist with explanations or spotting issues. Please realize we care about the whole image, not just what the viewer’s eyes may be immediately drawn to…
We may delete images we suspect were simply generated; if you would want to contest such a deletion, we ask that you have proof ready that the image was actually an
ai composition. Having an existing history of showing your work process or including WiP and speedpaints in descriptions will help everyone (staff, you, and people curious and wanting to learn).Limits
The daily upload limit and default filtering may be modified or lifted in the future. The current limitations are in place as we expect some users will attempt to continue uploading
ai generated images under the new tag.As well, given the principle of these images is that they’ve had significant human involvement in their creation, we expect their creators to take at least “a day” working on them, and a strict limit for now may push some to further review and edit their images to ensure higher quality.
Tantabus
As stated at the top, tantabus.ai is a separate site for ai related images (generated, composition, reference). The short of it is it’s the pony version of e6ai, an e621 offshoot focused on AI images.
The database is completely separate, as is the infrastructure and funding. Some staff here will also be present there, but eventually the staff list should include members of its own community. It will be operated as a place for people that like creating and viewing ai images, even if they’re purely generated, and want to retain a focus on MLP related content only (plus similar tagging and UX as derpi).
Please limit any discussion to questions about precise policy points or requests for clarification. This thread is not to be used for general talk about AI, neither technical or ethical. Posts attempting to derail from discussion of the content policy will likely be removed.
FAQ
Question: What was the reason for this policy change? / This is a pointless change, undo now! / Staff are just abusive fucks who wanna curate content they don’t like! / We have filters, use them!
Answer:
Over the course of the previous year we have done our best to moderate AI content fairly and impartially. We have tried to allow this content to exist as freely as possible to fuel and empower niché interests and communities. However, we can’t have nice things.
Over the course of the previous year we have done our best to moderate AI content fairly and impartially. We have tried to allow this content to exist as freely as possible to fuel and empower niché interests and communities. However, we can’t have nice things.
AI generated content (mostly of purely generated variety) has generated a disproportionally large amount of moderation workload for us, to the point where 80% of moderator time/effort was dealing with AI generated images. Not just the approval queue where we check if something is illegal, no. Most of the work came from reports from other users, like investigating bad anatomy, ghost signatures, artist style emulation, models trained to specifically mimic an artist, as well as many AI uploaders not respecting our rules and limits and blatantly disregarding them, uploading more than allowed per day. The investigative work required for this alone was taking hours upon hours from moderator’s day every day. And we as moderators can’t “just use filters” and have a blind eye to rule breaking content.
As this started to become a bigger problem with the increase in AI upload frequency (can be easily seen at tantabus, the “statistics” page has a graph of AI content on derpi), as well as the rise of better and more high quality AI models, we as staff have started having a lengthy discussion which went on for well over a year, as to how to best solve this problem. No matter what else we tried, no matter how many people we banned, the situation only kept getting worse.
So we realized that we can’t keep allowing AI generated content and needed far better categorization for it. Many ideas have been thrown around and discarded in our staff chatrooms over the course of the last year, like deleting everything outright and being done with it, and we eventually came to a compromise that aims to allow this content to exist and flourish without overloading our unpaid volunteer moderation team. And hence, Tantabus was born, a solution that offers grounds for AI prompters to go wild and for far better categorization of AI content than derpi could ever offer without substantially needing to re-do the whole Derpibooru tagging system.
WARNING: asking this or a similar question in the thread will get you banned for a month
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Art Chat » True artist type stuff "Sketching Process" » Topic Opener
LP2Lily 
Lily Fathom
Side note; I keep trying to post a thread that catches on. Here I go again. Hope my frequency is tolerable….
This thread
So, I have this big fascination with messy sketches. Especially when it comes to a finished piece. I hope I am not the only one who loves it when artist share this process. Very rarely do I actually sketch the and ink line art on the same page as the finished piece.
So, I have this big fascination with messy sketches. Especially when it comes to a finished piece. I hope I am not the only one who loves it when artist share this process. Very rarely do I actually sketch the and ink line art on the same page as the finished piece.
I suppose I am really old school when it comes to the original design of animation. The back ground is on a separate page and so are the items in play. Coffee cups, tables, and other things. I sketch then trace onto an official page. However, the whole sketching process is probably my favorite.
Anyone else have this sort of thing? I honestly wish more artist were unashamed of the trashy sketch underneath. I truly believe unless you have a rats nest of a scratchy sketch your not doing art.
Tagging Discussion » [NSFW] "smaller female" should imply "size difference" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #ACA2
- larger female Implies: female, size difference
- smaller female Implies: female, size difference
- smaller futa Implies: futa, size difference
- larger male Implies: male, size difference
General Discussion » Engagement down since AI art? » Topic Opener
dirtyfinger 
Onanomancer
Is it just me or did engagement - voting, commenting - drop sharply after after AI media flooded the site?
Don’t get me wrong - some AI pics are absolute bangers (especially the ever improving “realistic” generators).
But I got the feeling that the attitude “AI art is not art” combined with the sheer amount of really high quality mass produced media either diluted impressions or inhibited the willingness to give a like or comment. Or both.
Did you notice something similar, either as creator or patron?
Art Chat » guys, there's Technical Maintenance » Topic Opener
Zlat Design 
Ukraine world at war III
Yeap it’s bad cause we can’t use the website, but what i need to draw and tag to get the “technical maintenance” badge?
Tagging Discussion » Merge "4k" and "4k resolution" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #BF08
Even though res tags are obsolete by the ability to search and filter by width, height, and pixel count, people still use them so they may as well get optimized.
4k <-> 4k resolution
General Discussion » Does anyone know if AuroraDawn » Topic Opener
Jawslocks03
Jawslocks03
Author of The rainbow factory fanfic is still active online? I gotta ask them if I can gain permission to use the concept of the rainbow factory in a little something me and a friend are trying to make.
Art Chat » Trial of Harmony (A Danganronpa X MLP Fanfic) » Topic Opener
B. Kiltersot
Everyone's a good pony
Hello, I’d like to showcase this project I have been developing for sometime now. I’ve been a fan of Danganronpa for years, and was dissapointed to see that there was no proper work based on the franchise. After a moment of brainstorming, I finally thought on creating this fangan. Despite calling this a “fan fic”, the work is intended to be released in the format of a YouTube visual novel.
Currently, I’m concentrated on drawing splash art and sprites for each character while at the same time I write the prologue.
If anyone wants to stay updated, or even would like to help, you can join the project’s Discord.
Thanks for taking your time in this corner of the internet.
Uploader Discussion » Help finding an artist by the watermark » Topic Opener
Bashi_Hart
Hope this is the right channel for it. I commissioned some art a long time ago, I wanted to upload it but don’t remember the artist.
Anyone recognize this watermark or know how to find out the artist?
Roleplaying » mlp ( anthro NSFW RP EQUESTRIANS AT WAR either during or aftermath ) » Topic Opener
ramjet980
hello I wanted to try and do an NSFW RP for a story idea of mine that deals with humanity at war with anthro ponies with humans losing and becoming secand class or worse to the ponys the rp can take place during the war or after it I don’t mind ( futa on male btw) dm if interested
Site and Policy » Post randomly deleted » Topic Opener
Secretguy510
Hey there, my last upload is just… gone? What happened? Did i do something wrong? It was only my third upload and to be honest, i don’t really understand why the other two were fine but this one isn’t. It was an ai pic of Lyra, i have a part of it as my avatar.
Tagging Discussion » "scootaling", "bloomling", "sweetiling", and more should imply "changelingified" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #487F
- bloomling Implies: changeling, species swap, changelingified, apple bloom
- scootaling Implies: changeling, species swap, changelingified, scootaloo
- sweetiling Implies: changeling, species swap, changelingified, sweetie belle
- changeling crusaders Implies: changeling, species swap, changelingified, bloomling, scootaling, sweetiling, cutie mark crusaders, apple bloom, scootaloo, sweetie belle
Tagging Discussion » Various "League of Legends" tag implications » Topic Opener
Icicle Niceicle 1517 
Ocs,Boops,Tickles&Memes
Starting off with the most noticeable one, the show Arcane
Since “Arcane” is a show set in the LoL universe, Arcane should imply League of Legends
Also several characters from the franchise need the implication too. Im not well versed in the game so if i miss any, feel free to add in any
Caitlyn (League of Legends) (should also be merged with Caitlyn
Also Miss Fortune should be merged with Miss Fortune (League of Legends)
Tagging Discussion » Alias "looking at a mirror" and "looking at mirror" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #D600
Side note: I would expect this tag to be used way more often since this is mirror’s main purpose.
Art Chat » Free birthday request? » Topic Opener
BJblazkowics1920
My 27th birthday is coming up in a few days and I was wondering about a Cloudkicker request.
Tagging Discussion » Overly-specific colors: considered harmful? Discussion for a standard set of taggable colors » Topic Opener
Background Pony #0E75
People sometimes get very specific - IMO, unhelpfully specific - tagging colors of things with modifying words, like “light pink mane” or “dark blue tail”. This will often be instead of a simpler, more guessable color tag like just “blue tail” - and it would be far too much work to get the site assistants to chase around all the hundreds of possible permutations in order to make them imply the closest relevant standard color tags. Plus, having every detailed color plus standard color of every body part tagged will turn the tags section into just 50% colors of things by length.
At least those could turn up with a wildcard search, like “*pink mane”. But then, you get things like “reddish pink mane” where I guess you’d have to know to do the wildcards as both “red* mane” (for that) and “*red mane” (for the others)..?
People also sometimes tag things with a color that’s a low-use color name, like “mint eyes”, “aquamarine mane”, or “indigo hair”. These will hardly let anyone find the post due to having to guess which near-synonym someone happened to use, nor would they show up in wildcard searches like “*blue hair”.
Then you get silly with all of the above in excess, like “lilac red tail”, “yellow chartreuse mane” (???), “light hot pink mane”, “grayish turquoise coat”…
“tangelo coat” plus “brilliant tangelo coat” plus “light brilliant tangelo coat” all tagged at once on the same image, although I wonder if that person was just shittagging…
someone once tried “brilliant cerulean and brilliant heliotrope mane” -_-
“tangelo coat” plus “brilliant tangelo coat” plus “light brilliant tangelo coat” all tagged at once on the same image, although I wonder if that person was just shittagging…
someone once tried “brilliant cerulean and brilliant heliotrope mane” -_-
Repeat that for each of “mane”, “hair”, “tail”, “coat”, “wings”, and “eyes”.
Then, people want to tag all the colors of a multi-colored design, like “brown and blue mane”…
Can we not?
I propose there be a standard set of named colors permitted for tags, with a policy to not get more specific nor to whip out a thesaurus.
My suggested list is:
rainbow (special case
white, black, gray, tan, brown
pink, red, orange, yellow, green, [see below], blue, purple, magenta
One or at most two out of: light blue, sky blue, cyan, teal, turquoise
Maybe, maybe not: blonde, beige, lavender, violet
rainbow (special case
)
white, black, gray, tan, brown
pink, red, orange, yellow, green, [see below], blue, purple, magenta
One or at most two out of: light blue, sky blue, cyan, teal, turquoise
Maybe, maybe not: blonde, beige, lavender, violet
If a color really is hard to define, like if it’s borderline desaturated enough to be uncertain if it’s the color of its hue vs. “gray”, just don’t tag a color.
Additional info that can be tagged already exists, such as “three toned mane”. Of course, this doesn’t connect which colors are in the same mane, when an image might have multiple characters in it, but I think that is preferable to the roughly 1000 tags you’d need to account for all the permutations.
Tagging Discussion » Merge "inanimate tf" and "objectification" » Topic Opener
Vree 
These are being used identically correctly.
However I wanna point out that the TF term originates from transformation FETISH. So the current definition “A character transformed into an inanimate object.” is somewhat incorrect. If anybody wanted to separate them, then “inanimate tf” would IMPLY “objectification” but would apply to raunchier pictures just like the other “…fetish” tags.
Tagging Discussion » Alias "pegasus kirin" to "kirin pegasus" and more » Topic Opener
Tagging Discussion » (NSFW) Remove "horse dildo" from "Implied by (warning: unfiltered)" in "dildo" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #B54C
Now the tag is duplicated (the tag itself “horsecock dildo” and its alias “horse dildo”) here.
Tagging Discussion » Renaming with leaving aliases "human on *" to "human on * action" » Topic Opener
Background Pony #3F53
Tag consistency:
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human on filly -> human on filly action
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human male on mare -> human male on mare action
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human male on filly -> human male on filly action
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human male on colt -> human male on colt
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human male on stallion -> human male on stallion action
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human female on filly -> human female on filly action
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human female on stallion -> human female on stallion action
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human futa on stallion -> human futa on stallion action
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futa human on stallion -> human futa on stallion action
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mare on human female -> mare on human female action
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filly on human female -> filly on human female action
General Discussion » Any one knows the origin of 3498836, 3167644, and 3178220? » Topic Opener
Background Pony #87D8
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