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marinus18

Though Harris is making more and more bad decisions like cozying up to right wing republicans. That’s just stupid and is part of why Hillary failed. You need to go left rather than try to compete with Trump over right wing people. Don’t fight a battle you are never going to win, fight a battle you know you can’t lose. If Kamala goes left Trump has no counter to that and when you actually have good left wing policies a lot of right wing people will jump on board. Even when you say a ton of Nazi stuff it’s kinda hard to resist the allure of no more debts or a higher wage.
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Mods-Ezekiel 33:11
@marinus18
You do realize not everyone thinks that left wing economic policies are good, right? That’s why she’s trying to appeal more to people that don’t think what she and President Biden have been doing is good. Otherwise, spewing out more left-wing policies just solidifies their not voting for her.
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@Zaknel
Do they though? Do people seriously object to their rent being lowered or their crippling student debts being forgiven?
How can Trump fight those things? You think him saying “I think you should be crippled with student debt” or “You should pay more for healthcare” would go over well with voters? I don’t think it will.
People who are cemented anti-socialists won’t vote for a democrat no matter what. Don’t alienate potential voters by chasing after voters that will never vote for you. The center of the US population is much further to the left than the establishment is. Tim Walz is at the political center of the population.
Trying to change people’s minds about reality is just not going to work. This is not a matter of viewpoint but about reality.
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Um…….I do. That’s why I said what I did.
I don’t think their loyalty to the right will outweigh their financial reality. That’s why you should try to make their lives better, not try to convince them you are just as right wing as Trump as you’re never going to win at that. Voters are petty and short sighted so have clear policies that have very obvious and immediate benefits. Don’t have vague notions of “unity” or “prosperity” that don’t really mean anything.
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Um, yeah and I don’t see it working very well. If you stand your ground then forcing them to say “I don’t think we should feed hungry children” usually works pretty well. It’s why Tim Walz’s approval rating dwarfs that of Harris and Trump too. If you don’t stand by those policies and don’t know how to sell them you’re going to fail. Make your policies super clear and repeat them over and over and over again so that it’s not easy for propaganda to lie about it.
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@marinus18
You do realize not everyone thinks that left wing economic policies are good, right? That’s why she’s trying to appeal more to people that don’t think what she and President Biden have been doing is good. Otherwise, spewing out more left-wing policies just solidifies their not voting for her.
What do you think they have been doing that people dislike? I have no idea other than referring too much to economic numbers which in a highly inequal system like the US are completely irrelevant. I don’t know what she expects will happen by trying to go right and saying she won’t make people’s lives better. Trump got to power in 2016 by promising to make people’s lives better, he didn’t fulfill those promises but he still promised it when no other republican would and not even Hillary did that.
Biden’s main problem is that he didn’t have reletable policies.
The right/left split is severely overrated. It really just comes down to having good policies no matter where they come from. If you lay it out clearly then it’s hard to argue against. It’s very difficult to convince people that it’s bad for them to pay less for medicine especially if you can prove how all the doom scenario’s are false.
Ever since she’s been trying to be more “moderate” rather than going with popular policies her numbers have been slipping. You want to win over the voters, not the establishment republicans. So have policies that help voters, don’t try to impress right wing fanatics by going closer to Trump on the right. Those people will vote right wing anyway and she can’t go to the right of Trump on stuff. But they are a small minority, the majority of people are not that politically engaged, they just vote in ways that serve their interests.
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@Zaknel
Exactly.
Do you seriously believe that? Do you seriously believe that people will vote “I want to pay more for medicine, rent and healthcare”? I don’t think people are that dogmatic, I think they are much more self-serving.
The last time a president went all in on being left wing he was completely unbeatable in elections and won 4 in a row.
Hillary’s problem is that she focused on being “moderate” for the establishment rather than having good and popular policies and now Harris is making that same mistake. You shouldn’t be afraid to have a niche group of haters cause it doesn’t matter rather people hate you or just dislike you, they won’t vote for you either way. Rather you want to capture the majority of less engaged voters by having popular policies.
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I’m generally of a leftward tilt economically, but I also have a few center-right views, and an eclectic mix of positions one would not be able to fit into the right/left dichotomy.
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An internal Trump campaign poll of the swing states by Fabrizio/McLaughlin was just released.
Trump leads in Georgia by 5, Arizona and Nevada by 3, and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina by 1.
Obviously none of that will happen, but that’s the most horrendous internal poll for him I’ve ever seen.
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I’m not giving up.
An internal Trump campaign poll of the swing states by Fabrizio/McLaughlin was just released.
Trump leads in Georgia by 5, Arizona and Nevada by 3, and Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and North Carolina by 1.
Obviously none of that will happen, but that’s the most horrendous internal poll for him I’ve ever seen.
More info on what/who Fabrizio/McLaughlin is?
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Fabrizio polling is hilarious. A memo leaked earlier in the year where one of their polls had a question like “how do you rate Biden’s disastrous border policy”. My inner psychometrician laughed heartily at that one.
marinus18

I’m generally of a leftward tilt economically, but I also have a few center-right views, and an eclectic mix of positions one would not be able to fit into the right/left dichotomy.
Which are those?
From my personal experiences I have seen no love for the megacorps with MAGA. Many hate the megacorps and of course the left hates the megacorps. Being very hostile to the megacorps will massively mobilize the left and will please MAGA too. Many on the MAGA side are downright communist in the things they want.
That is an area Harris can beat Trump on. I don’t see how someone who is fearful of the border will be convinced to vote for Harris over Trump. Trump can be racist and xenophobic on a level Harris can never match so why bother trying? It doesn’t matter rather those people hate you or just dislike you, they will vote for Trump either way. However being very hostile towards the border will alienate many leftist influencers and will reinforce the narrative of the uniparty with moderates.
I also see myself as socially quite conservative but I have no love for the megacorps and I haven’t really met many people that do. Even those that self-identify as right wing.
I also don’t know what Biden’s “left wing” policies people don’t like. I mean I have heard a lot of lies about it and I do feel trying to correct those isn’t really a good idea. Instead Harris should focus on attacking them and having much more clear policies that benefit people in much more obvious ways. She also can tie items together like how the supreme court blocked the student debt relief. I do think that will go well considering how much people already hate to supreme court because of Citizen’s united and the overturning of Roe.
Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America and was really screwed over by the establishment but Harris is already the candidate so she doesn’t have to worry about that. A big part of what helped Bernie is that he wouldn’t defend Obama when Obama made a corrupt decision, he would attack him over it. Harris needs to do the same, attack Biden over his unquestioned support of Israel and how it is possibly leading to war with Iran, how he let the build-back-better act be gutted and his spinelessness towards the supreme court. What people like to see above all is strength and courage and so going moderate really shows Harris being weak in a similar way to Biden.
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Let’s put it this way: One of the core tenets of fascism is that corporate and government power should be one and the same. When the world’s (somehow still) richest man humiliated himself on a public stage less than a week ago and declared his love for “Dark MAGA” while flaunting that he’d be seeking to be head of a “government efficiency” ministry should his Dear Leader win, that was just about as on-the-nose as one could be in establishing such a system.
You won’t see many if any MAGA openly declare that they love big companies and corporate oligarchies, but what you will hear is that very real issues facing workers can pretty much all be solved by harming immigrants and other minorities as opposed to forcing corporations to pay their fair share (“Socialism!”), giving unions their power back (“Communism!”) or implementing regulations to stop corporate interests from capturing political capital and buying their way into power (“Non-late stage capitalism!”).
Why, yes, the same can also be said of corporate Democrats and those that have been bought by those corporate interests, but while they “merely” seek the status quo, they aren’t openly seeking a dystopian corporatist hellscape like MAGA is.
It really has to be repeated time and time again: MAGA is a cancer that’s trying to push the Overton Window into the abyss of the section it’s currently in, from right wing authoritarianism towards pure fascism. It’s policies only appeal to the population to a degree it can get them to regurgitate talking points and falsehoods, but any sort of scrutiny whatsoever rapidly reveals that their endgame is absolute corporate control over government and suppression of the will of the people.
We can discuss infighting on the entirety of the political spectrum, from the far left that isn’t even present in the US to the so-called “Centrist” that’s actually far right but not comfortable enough to openly espouse fascism once the existential danger to democracy that is MAGA is fully eradicated. For now though, you’re either a complete monster or you’re not.
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Mods-Ezekiel 33:11
@marinus18
Minimum wage increases unemployment and stagnates wage increases.
Taxing businesses just increases prices at best and at worst stalls, halts, or even reverses economic growth.
Price control destroys the supply chain.
I know that most people reading this thread do not believe that. But many people do. And Kamala merely not acting like people believe this makes them less likely to vote for her.
I honestly think the idea of her trying to seem more right-leaning economically is just her trying to get some of those voters.
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VA increased minimum wage and yet we have some of the lowest unemployment in the nation, Vermont has one of the highest minimum wages in the nation and is 2nd in lowest unemployment. The states with the highest unemployment are a mix of states with higher or lower minimum wages. Meanwhile, states with high minimum wage also have high wage growth, again Vermont is a good example.
Minimum wage does not directly lead to unemployment, I’m not sure where you would get that.
While on a micro level, some individual businesses would scale back when there are wage increases, but other businesses wouldn’t and prices would ultimately adjust.
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It’s more telling about how the neoliberal dogma has poisoned our collective understanding of economics than anything else TBH.
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I posted earlier in this very thread a story going over the data showing that unemployment and prices didn’t skyrocket as corporate media and capitalist sycophants insisted they would after California instituted a $20/hr minimum wage for fast food workers.
Or perhaps you are simply too wedded to your ideology to acknowledge you might be wrong?
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