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You know, I originally stepped a foot back into this load of crap because I was casually strolling ED when I thought, “oh god, why doesn’t Pinkiepony have her very own article in here? She certainly deserves one, DWM facts alone don’t cover this piece of trash,” and so I began taking screenshots of different things both on the DWM blog and occasionally her personal.
 
I began venting my personal frustrations into my password locked blog, sort of like an online diary, hoping I wasn’t the only person left in what seemed like a Tumblr that was no longer becoming comfortable for me.
 
And then I found this thread and ho boy was I happy. I was so relieved I wasn’t the only person who thought “this is completely fucking ridiculous”.
 
And then finally, through all the bustle and hustle, finally ED made her an article. When that news was delivered here, I was overjoyed. I felt my purpose here was complete, even if April continued to be shitty.
 
But even though I felt like I could go home, I still wanted to stay here. I still want to stay here now, mainly because this has practically become my new favorite soap. This series has got me hooked and I want to see how it ends: Does PP grow up and stop? Will PP get ban-hammered in an ironic fashion to how her followers have attempted to ban-hammer APM 3 times? Will PP do something so ignominiously that Tumblr will no longer respect her or take her seriously ever again?
 
Either way, I’m gonna be sitting here, just  
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Are you sure that the information on that is right? but hey as long she/he doesn’t be an asshole about it I’m completely fine in all honesty.
 
Quite sure, really. Well, if tarajenkins is cupidite–that name sounds very familiar, but I can’t say I’m sure she was that before tarajenkins.
 
She posted this after going a few rounds with tenafly and having several other people pop out to call her out on bullshit.
 
Edit: In that post, among other ironies, is that the post she links to, claiming someone told a DWM supporter taht their rape didn’t matter, it was actually the exact opposite–that DWM supporter was telling the other person that their rape didn’t matter. Or at least taht’s how I read it, after actually following the reblog/quote train.
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@Sarteck
 
The fact Tarajekins titled this unironically as “Let Me Explain You A Thing” is groan-worthy enough.
 
“My fiance and I had our regular donations to our local food bank mocked as ‘cute’, even though a hundred pounds of food is a hell of a lot when the donors are below the poverty line themselves.”
 
I’m pretty fucking sure I remember when Tara actually brought this up and in context, it was someone doubting Tara actually donated anything to help the cause of rape victims. She answered with “Well, I donate canned food! That helps people!” To which the other person mocked her because wow, nobody asked about that, we were all wondering if you actually made a serious conscientious effort in helping rape victims.
 
So here, she is whining because she got her ass grilled on that because it must’ve burned when that person called her baloney “cute”.
 
Also, Lucariwhoa has on multiple occasions disrespected real rape victims who don’t agree with DWM, calling them liars because “it’s the internet, anyone can lie”. Kind of ironic when you support someone like April, aka “I dishonestly spend all my parents’ money on toys then have to beg for food from people”.
Sarteck

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That all actually stemmed from tarajenkins getting trounced by tenfly here . You can read the text walls for yourself, but here’s a quick rundown:
 
See, Tena noted how Japan “glorifies” rape the same way that a lot of DWM supporters were saying Bronies “glorified” rape. Tena also noted that, despite the huge amount of art, stories, and even games depicting rape, the amount of rape reported in Japan was far lower than in most Western countries.
 
Tara, outraged by this, tried everything in teh book to discredit Tena’s statement, right down to saying that Japan skewed it’s crime reports to other nations. (Yes, I’m completely serious–she linked whatever page she could Google on it.) When that didn’t work, she went on about how rape is so prevalent in Japan, and started noting magazine articles and blogs talking about groping on public transportation.
 
 
As far as Lucariwhoa goes, man, don’t even get me started. He’s like, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with not only the DWM movement, but fandoms in general. He’s a complete hypocrite, who will tell you that you’re an ass for not listening to rape survivors, then when someone tells him they are a rape survivor, he calls them a liar, or even says their rape doesn’t matter because they are obviously over it. He then shouts how horrible the doxxing of April is, and goes on to threaten people with finding out who they are and sending Facebook messages to their parents, telling them that they have a child who endorses rape. And finally, he not only threatens to shove knives up the asses of people who don’t agree with DWM (completely serious here), he then has the audacity to say that it “wouldn’t count as rape.”
 
His actions are so far gone that I honestly thought he was a troll for quite a while, there.
 
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@Sarteck Better watch it bubbo, the SJW ‘cancer’ patrol might fling a ban your way for speaking the ridiculously obvious truth of a situation!
 
@Background Pony Kinda funny how actual acts of charity appear to sicken and horrify them so much they need to cry that they’re made up or not as much as someone could have done. Not just for DWM but nearly all tumblr slacktivists think like that for some reason. April has just been more verbal diarrhea-y than the usual tumblrina and is wearing that anti-welfare/anti-charity banner on her sleeve than most. And I thought they considered themselves ‘progressive!’
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@Sarteck  
Out of curiosity I have been watching where this thread has been going and I feel that I have to interject something about Japan and the topic of rape in that country. If there was one western country I would believe that makes people avoid pressing charges on rape and the like, it would definitely be Japan. There can only be speculation and anything concrete about how much people don’t report this stuff is impossible, but I can imagine there being some truth to it.
 
Japan is a country with very high communal values and the obedient and maiden like wife is a common value for women to strive for. There have been cases where even when the woman has won a case on workplace sexual harassment, she has still had to hide her identity to avoid the death threats and harassment, because she had tarnished someone’s “honor” and “promising career” with her accusations, even when she had a legal right to do so and had proven her case in court. If you accuse someone of something, it is a much bigger deal to everyone in Japan and the accuser’s family takes it more personally then in the rest of the western world. The use of honorifics is a clear indication that your place in society matters much more than in the other western countries, so if you are convicted of a crime or show clear disrespect to someone, it reflects very badly towards your family and friends as well. This puts pressure for people to not go through the process of reporting the crime for both themselves and the perpetrator’s sake and instead try to keep it their personal problem and not burden society with it. I don’t live in Japan and I can only verify this stuff by reading about it from various collaborating sources, so I can’t say any of this stuff with absolute certainty, of course.
 
The glorification of rape in Japan is an interesting thing in its pornography; I wouldn’t really call it “glorification” myself, but the amount of rape depicted in Japan’s porn is so common it’s almost embarrassing if you were to compare it to the amount of non-rape porn in the country. There can only be speculation about why this is the case, but I would argue the reasons aren’t as nefarious as some might say. Rape is a fantasy in Japan among women and men alike and in the fantasy the rape is depicted as “letting emotions take control”, “breaking societal taboos”, “power fantasy”, “ and basically the overriding of any the strict “courting rituals” of society. The thought process among men, I would imagine, is that since women don’t like sex, the only way to have it would be through rape and since rape is a crime, you can only enjoy sex through pornography and the tropes used in pornography come from this shared cultural understanding of sex in Japan. Some statistics on Japan say that among men, men don’t think marriage is all that important of a goal in life, which might be because most have given up on ever finding an ideal woman. Especially among the sexually frustrated is the wish that someone would take the initiative of approach and not ask many questions in doing so, which in practice, is not an ideal default position to presume of people, because, you know, rape. I don’t believe there is a causal link to pornography and rape, but I do believe there is a reason why rape is so common as a trope in porn. So, basically, rape porn like porn that fetishizes infidelity is a manifestation of larger cultural forces and should be treated as a symptom and not as the disease.
 
Tsundere characters in Japan, who very commonly are women, kinda play off this “I want to have sex, but I am just pretending not to”, which circumvents the shared idea that women don’t like sex but would want it if you just tried enough. I won’t say anything about the implications on this stuff too much, since I hate “studying” of a country through their media entertainment and making disjointed generalization of the entire culture the artist lives in. The artist of any work is an individual and should be treated as one – not as some parrot drone of their nation’s values and ideas.
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Japan is crazy. That is all.
 
Tsundere characters seem to be their main target a lot of the time.
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And we’re probably going to lose Tarajenkins as an artist here.
 
…Yeah. Nice. Great….one of the actually really good artists gone. Did I mention I give up?
 
Saw one of the standard Depribooru sucks, they all racist things. I would loooooove to defend our side (even if they are right that trolls are out of control here) and say it’s only a few people. But oyu know what.
 
I said it before. Opinions don’t matter! They mean nothing! I’m just fucking wrong! And defending my side is wrong! I can’t say anything cause I’ll just be ignored or called butthurt!
 
Why does nobody ever just FUCKING TAKE A GODDAMN SECOND! to look at both sides and think rationally!
 
And now to finish my venting. A gif.
 
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Tumblr especially. Because far too many people refuse to fricken’ listen for a second. or Compromise.
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The fact that these tumblrinas wail against even PP’s RL “friends” who actually know her for disagreeing with her methods tells you something. They lack the ability to think for themselves. All they are doing is repeating the same opinion from their “Dear Leader” Pink Pony un.
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Everyone chills. Discorderly conduct isn’t owned by Tarajenkins alone, and unlike Ponett who jumped at the opportunity, there hasn’t been anything on it yet, so don’t panic.
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Spoilering because this is probably going to upset people.
 
Honestly in my experiences I’ve dealt with a lot of very good artists who turned out to be crummy people, and in every case I’ve dealt with they either pulled their shit together and let their art life stay separate than their political views, or they threw toddler tantrums/bawleted everything/other similar shoddy meltdowns.
 
Artists are essentially wild animals in the idea they do what they will, you have minimal to no control over them, and they will likely attack you if you do try to take control of them. It’s up to them to whether they want to behave gently or aggressively to something getting their attention.
 
If Tara wants to keep drawing, that’s fine. If Tara wants to blow up and stop drawing completely, that’s also fine. It’s not up to us whether she wants to make any sort of decision about that. Kissing grit won’t get you everywhere, being an asshole doesn’t always make someone quit art 5-ever.
 
Basically, artists will do what they want, whether it reflects on them as maturely or immaturely. There is nothing you can do to keep them from making their own personal decisions about art.
 
Also, for the record, being “good” at art doesn’t excuse them from being immature or even being a bad person. The same can be said for those who are “bad” at art but are mature or friendly people.
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That’s all good and well, but when artists side with a movement that is deliberately trying to prevent other artists from expressing themselves, I get more than a little peeved. They’re digging their own metaphorical graves.
 
Censorship movements never stop where they say they’re going to stop. Inertia carries them to keep pushing for more censorship, more restriction of artistic freedom, more book editing to remove politically incorrect thoughts, and eventually every single “artist” that sides with them gets subjected to the same treatment as the original targets.
 
You only have to look at history to see that. Time and time and time again, artists who side with freedom-restricting movements end up trampled by the very same movement - either they have to restrict their output to satisfy the demands of the movement, or they are kicked to the ground and consigned to the same pit as the others.
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And if you talk like that to them, they call you “Republican” as an insult and say the slippery slope fallacy is wrong.
 
Precedent is probably a better word.
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@Archonix  
Yeah, kind of contradictory of them. Isn’t it? Art is supposed to be a way for people to express their opinions.  
However, it is also natural for people to think one opinion prioritizes over another. That is when you start seeing people stamp out other opinions, believing their own opinion matters and others don’t. That is called censorship. I know, it’s unfortunate.
 
The world will be a much better place without censorship.
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Even worse when they chase them off whole-cloth though. Gotta love how those types won’t realise the amount of artists they made quietly quit the fandom because of their dramawhoring and bullying despite never having confronted said artists. It’s not just the ones getting bullied by DWM who’ll wind up leaving!
 
 
@Princess♠Molestia Eh, a different sort of censorship though, and really even that doesn’t work out too well. The 90s showed kids could consume some really heady shit in their cartoons, not just lelrandumb slapstick and violence and flashy explosions and random tea party time. Even Disney put actual death into a few of their Disney Afternoon shows like Aladdin and Darkwing Duck.
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That’s more moderation than censorship. Censorship is seeking the complete eradication of the material in question, which is what many of these people are after. It’s not that they don’t want it on Tumblr, it’s that they don’t want it to exist, period.
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I have to disagree there. I think censorship can serve a purpose in the correct hands. HOWEVER, should be regulated so it isn’t used as a powermad tool.
Example: Kids cartoon channel. In general, a perfectly decent use of censorship.
@Princess♠Molestia
That’s more moderation than censorship. Censorship is seeking the complete eradication of the material in question, which is what many of these people are after. It’s not that they don’t want it on Tumblr, it’s that they don’t want it to exist, period.
 
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The only thing that should ever be censored, is censorship itself.
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@Princess♠Molestia  
I actually unfollowed Tara just before DWM broke out when it was brought up somewhere that she and I think her boyfriend were harassing someone on deviantart whilst using all the standard tumblr bullshit jargon. I didn’t want or support someone with that type of attitude, so I unfollowed both those blogs.
 
When she did that dumbass Chrysalis pic and posted it up, I wasn’t all that surprised that she was for it… but I was surprised at the way she was handling it. A fully developed woman like her being THAT shockingly immature boggles my mind.
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