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Confederate AppleBloom???!!!! ANSWEM CHICK EVER!!! GO APPLEBLOOM, THE SOUTH RISE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@TexasUberAlles  
I never said it “wasn’t” about slavery, reread my posts again. Though, I guess I didn’t word that very well in my first post, for that I apologize. I meant slavery was one of the reasons for the Civil War, but there were other things/issues the states were bickering over, as well. That’s all I said… You seriously need to chill, and stop putting words in my mouth, or I’m just going to ignore you from now on anytime you try to start a debate with me…
 
This is why people can’t stand discussing things with you. Because you always get so aggressive with them, and heated, you can’t have a mature discussion with anyone. I’m just going to end the discussion here.
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Yes, imagine that, in response to your ridiculous claim that the American Civil War somehow wasn’t about slavery, I excerpted only those contemporary document passages relevant to destroying your argument rather than quoting several dozen pages in total. Shocking.
 
I don’t really need to live down to the “ten seconds on Google” level of “research” you’ve so adequately demonstrated for us; I have a shelf full of well-worn American History reference books that go into exhaustive detail on all the many ways great and small that you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. What you are continuing to ignore, even when presented with consensus testimony from the people were actually factually right in the middle of this as it was happening, is that it was understood by both North and South right from the beginning of the abolitionist movement that hostility between free and slave states over the issue of slavery was the root cause of the animosity that pitted them against each other as culturally and economically distinct regions rather than state-by-state rivalries. There was always some degree of tension between the urban areas of the Northeast and the agrarian South and West, and it was exacerbated by the rise of industrialization, but hey, guess what– slavery was still right in the middle of it, and always had been. Do some “research” on all the literal fistfighting that went on over the genesis of the Three-Fifths Compromise some time; slavery was the primary cause of North/South tension long before abolition was even on the horizon, because you cannot divorce racial slavery from any discussion of agricultural matters in America. Since you’re letting Google do your “research” for you, how about actually googling the definition of “knock-on effect”?
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@PonyPon  
Perhaps. :P
 
@TexasUberAlles  
It’s kinda ironic of you to say I’m “ignoring” you, yet you refuse to check out the links I posted, as well, or look up more stuff on the civil war to, (from not just one, but many different sources, and several different historians) rather then just going by a few quotes that only highlight one of the reasons for the war. (Also, you’re not even quoting the entire declarations for secession, and only showing the parts that are about slavery.)  
Just going by a few quotes alone still doesn’t mean that was the only reason, if you do more research on the subject. Many wars have had more then one reason for being started, and aren’t as simple as, “Oh it was just this reason, and this reason alone” if you study history more. History has alot of detail that we often overlook.
 
Also, just because said websites I linked to show there were other things that contributed to the cause of the war, doesn’t mean they’re “modern-apologists,” or trying to “justify” it. (You’re overreacting.)  
Plus, they still list slavery as one of the reasons for the civil war, so they aren’t even denying it, or anything. I’m not even denying it, I’m just saying there were other problems between the north & south, as well that contributed to if you research the war more.  
(But I’m assuming you won’t even bother, so it’s really pointless for us to to debate about it further.)
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@Beau Skunky  
Gosh, why don’t we just go ahead and ask the people who actually wrote things down at the time what they had to say about it, in their own words, as voted on and passed by their state legislatures?
Texas Declaration Of Secession:
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery – the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits – a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.
[…]But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretenses and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States.
[…] We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
Virginia Ordinance Of Secession:
“[…]the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States
Alabama Ordinance Of Secession:
Whereas, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the people of the State of Alabama, preceded by many and dangerous infractions of the constitution of the United States by many of the States and people of the Northern section, is a political wrong of so insulting and menacing a character as to justify the people of the State of Alabama in the adoption of prompt and decided measures for their future peace and security,
[…]And as it is the desire and purpose of the people of Alabama to meet the slaveholding States of the South, who may approve such purpose, in order to frame a provisional as well as permanent Government
South Carolina Declaration Of Secession:
But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. […] In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed […] and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.
Georgia Declaration Of Secession:
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slaveholding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.
Mississippi Declaration Of Secession:
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery – the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.
[…]It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst. It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
[…]It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
…Oops, turns out the actual Confederacy kindasorta disagrees with its own modern apologists. And since you blithely ignored this part of my previous post:
[…]all of the listed secondary reasons were unambiguously knock-on effects of measures enacted by Free States to punish Slave States
…Texas, Virginia, Alabama, South Carolina, Georgia, and Mississippi helpfully also spelled it out right there for you, in their own words, in their own time.
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@TexasUberAlles  
There were numerous causes for the war. Saying “slavery” issues were the only reason, would be like saying “Pearl Harbor’s bombing” was the only event of WW2. It also has to do with other issues between the bickering states.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War
 
http://www.ehow.com/list_7501442_three-war-not-including-slavery.html
 
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-07-06/news/bs-ed-gettysburg-20130706_1_slavery-constitutional-convention-secession
 
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm
 
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
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@Beau Skunky  
Yeah, that’s bullshit though; the war was about slavery, full stop. More than half of the eleven seceding states specifically declared in their formal articles of secession that racial slavery was their primary motivation for dissolving the Union, and all of the listed secondary reasons were unambiguously knock-on effects of measures enacted by Free States to punish Slave States; you can no more divorce slavery from interstate politics in the mid-19th Century than you can divorce oil from American foreign policy in the Middle East today.
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@Wiimeiser  
Honestly, I think they would have abolished it eventually. I doubt it would’ve lasted into modern times as slavery is looked down upon in many countries nowadays. Though, I don’t like the idea of seceding.
 
(Also, there was more to the civil war then just “slavery” issues between the north & south, there were other reasons why they were fighting. Plus, it’s not like the “North” were any less racist back then. In fact, some northerners originally wanted to send all the black people back to Africa once the war was over. So both sides weren’t perfect.)