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I never said it “wasn’t” about slavery, reread my posts again. Though, I guess I didn’t word that very well in my first post, for that I apologize. I meant slavery was one of the reasons for the Civil War, but there were other things/issues the states were bickering over, as well. That’s all I said… You seriously need to chill, and stop putting words in my mouth, or I’m just going to ignore you from now on anytime you try to start a debate with me…
This is why people can’t stand discussing things with you. Because you always get so aggressive with them, and heated, you can’t have a mature discussion with anyone. I’m just going to end the discussion here.
I don’t really need to live down to the “ten seconds on Google” level of “research” you’ve so adequately demonstrated for us; I have a shelf full of well-worn American History reference books that go into exhaustive detail on all the many ways great and small that you don’t have the first clue what you’re talking about. What you are continuing to ignore, even when presented with consensus testimony from the people were actually factually right in the middle of this as it was happening, is that it was understood by both North and South right from the beginning of the abolitionist movement that hostility between free and slave states over the issue of slavery was the root cause of the animosity that pitted them against each other as culturally and economically distinct regions rather than state-by-state rivalries. There was always some degree of tension between the urban areas of the Northeast and the agrarian South and West, and it was exacerbated by the rise of industrialization, but hey, guess what– slavery was still right in the middle of it, and always had been. Do some “research” on all the literal fistfighting that went on over the genesis of the Three-Fifths Compromise some time; slavery was the primary cause of North/South tension long before abolition was even on the horizon, because you cannot divorce racial slavery from any discussion of agricultural matters in America. Since you’re letting Google do your “research” for you, how about actually googling the definition of “knock-on effect”?
Perhaps. :P
@TexasUberAlles
It’s kinda ironic of you to say I’m “ignoring” you, yet you refuse to check out the links I posted, as well, or look up more stuff on the civil war to, (from not just one, but many different sources, and several different historians) rather then just going by a few quotes that only highlight one of the reasons for the war. (Also, you’re not even quoting the entire declarations for secession, and only showing the parts that are about slavery.)
Just going by a few quotes alone still doesn’t mean that was the only reason, if you do more research on the subject. Many wars have had more then one reason for being started, and aren’t as simple as, “Oh it was just this reason, and this reason alone” if you study history more. History has alot of detail that we often overlook.
Also, just because said websites I linked to show there were other things that contributed to the cause of the war, doesn’t mean they’re “modern-apologists,” or trying to “justify” it. (You’re overreacting.)
Plus, they still list slavery as one of the reasons for the civil war, so they aren’t even denying it, or anything. I’m not even denying it, I’m just saying there were other problems between the north & south, as well that contributed to if you research the war more.
(But I’m assuming you won’t even bother, so it’s really pointless for us to to debate about it further.)
Worse to worse, she can play it off as a Dukes of Hazard top.
Gosh, why don’t we just go ahead and ask the people who actually wrote things down at the time what they had to say about it, in their own words, as voted on and passed by their state legislatures?
There were numerous causes for the war. Saying “slavery” issues were the only reason, would be like saying “Pearl Harbor’s bombing” was the only event of WW2. It also has to do with other issues between the bickering states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_American_Civil_War
http://www.ehow.com/list_7501442_three-war-not-including-slavery.html
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-07-06/news/bs-ed-gettysburg-20130706_1_slavery-constitutional-convention-secession
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm
http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
Yeah, that’s bullshit though; the war was about slavery, full stop. More than half of the eleven seceding states specifically declared in their formal articles of secession that racial slavery was their primary motivation for dissolving the Union, and all of the listed secondary reasons were unambiguously knock-on effects of measures enacted by Free States to punish Slave States; you can no more divorce slavery from interstate politics in the mid-19th Century than you can divorce oil from American foreign policy in the Middle East today.
Honestly, I think they would have abolished it eventually. I doubt it would’ve lasted into modern times as slavery is looked down upon in many countries nowadays. Though, I don’t like the idea of seceding.
(Also, there was more to the civil war then just “slavery” issues between the north & south, there were other reasons why they were fighting. Plus, it’s not like the “North” were any less racist back then. In fact, some northerners originally wanted to send all the black people back to Africa once the war was over. So both sides weren’t perfect.)
I dunno, had the confederacy seceded, would it still have not abolished slavery?
Most likely
I kinda like the look, but wouldn’t that halter-top’s design make her friend Zecora uncomfortable though?