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And she may get one. Just not at the time of the finale. Canon show, cozy stays a rock for quite a bit but you can certainly believe in your headcanon that changes at some point.

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Kid or not, her actions were in no way worse then those of other villains who were given second chances. I’ll say again: if they deserved a second chance then so did she. And I will also point out that many people actually do care that she’s a child.

Can’t do the time? Don’t do the crime.

I’d agree if it weren’t for this appearently not applying to others.

The cast certainly wasn’t cruel for turning the pony who tried to murder them to stone.

They were if there was literally a million other more humane ways to restrain her.

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Who cares if she’s a kid. She was one of the biggest threats in the show’s history. Her age doesn’t have much if anything to do with this. She had intent to cause harm and acted on it at every available opportunity.

Can’t do the time? Don’t do the crime. The cast certainly wasn’t cruel for turning the pony who tried to murder them to stone.

Maybe a little hard time will straighten her out. Get it? Hard time, cuz she’s a rock now.

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She had plenty of chances to learn enough about friendship to know not to do the things she did in the first place. She was in Friendship School. She had clearly learned about friendship to the extent that she was able to use it to manipulate the ponies around her.

Since when does a school count as a rehabilitation program? If I memorize a poem that doesn’t mean that I immedietly understand its meaning. Sure, Cozy learned some words, but she misinterpreted them. By that logic, I could just as easily say that Discord had plenty of chances to change his ways or at least take a hint and leave when he escaped or how Starlight could have at least learned something from spying on Twilight. Instead, Discord was released specifically for rehabilitation while Twilight was practically forced to do that with Starlight in the time loop. Cozy got none of those things. She was given up on immedietly after being revealed.

She knew, and she did the things she did anyway.

That’s true for Discord and most other villains as well.

What are you supposed to do with a literal psychopath who, either through some sort of actual solipsistic inability to understand that other people exist or through sheer contemptuous lack of concern for them, simply does not care about who she hurts and will by all indications never get better?

First off, there’s no proof that Cozy’s a psychopath. Sure, she may have done evil things, but non-psychopaths can be evil as well. We simply don’t have enough information on that matter and frankly, a few scenes seem to prove otherwise. And really, Discord used to be just as bad when it came to not caring for others.

@Background Pony #08D2
How do you know that she could when it was literally never attempted? She’s not that amazing when the other person knows who she is. Remember Rusty Bucket? How she couldn’t get past him and just resorted to throwing a tantrum?

@Ridleylash

Considering she conspired with enemies of the state to commit at the very best a despotic assumption of power and unlawful imprisonment after being given consequences for her actions in trying to use the school’s students to help her plan, was imprisoned once that was foiled and then immediately began another scheme in Tartarus, and her outright rejection of friendship in Frenemies,

Pointing out all of the bad things that she did doesn’t change the fact that Discord and Starlight did equally bad things multiple times. As for Frenemies, the fact that she showed actual interest in it shows more potential in her then Discord ever had prior to his release.

Cozy Glow doesn’t really seem to WANT reformation. Friendship is only a means to an end for her, a tactic to use to accomplish her goals.

Discord didn’t want reformation either. Fluttershy had to work with him specifically for a while and not give up on him to get to a point where he considered reforming and even then, there were many relapses.

That’s the difference; Starlight and Discord ultimately wanted to become better of their own volition, Cozy did not. And she’s just too dangerous to leave as a loose end; again, she very nearly brought the country to it’s knees just by manipulating a single school’s worth of students.

Starlight and Discord were again, not given up on. There was actually an attempt made to reform them, unlike with Cozy. And frankly, Cozy’s no more dangerous then the reality warping being who can be just as manipulative and can shapeshift.

She’s arrogant, vicious, power-hungry, prejudiced and most importantly revels in those traits; she’s pretty thoroughly not a pleasant pony and not a pony who wants to improve, either. If they didn’t turn her to stone, she’d probably just end up a lifer in a maximum-security prison or, if they want to be particularly sure, outright executed for the whole bit where she committed treason.

If others who were just as bad deserved rehabilitation then so does she. If Discord was turned back to stone and placed next to the trio then I wouldn’t be complaining nearly as much.

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I know that Cozy’s actions were her own fault, but I also know that thats the same for Discord, Starlight, Tempest and maybe even Luna. When they get all those second chances while the literal child is immedietly given up on then that is unfair treatment and the fact that the characters were willing to do that to her shows them as cruel hypocrits as she could have been given a second chance or imprisoned in a normal prison instead of stoning and an empty metal cage.

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One thing I’ve noticed here is how much cozy defenders are willing to throw everyone and everything under the bus to get cozy off the hook for being responsible for what happened.

Its twilight’s fault. Her school failed cozy despite it working wonders on literally every other student.

Its discord’s fault despite Cozy being fully willing to commit the actions she did, even after discord’s motives were revealed

Its the main cast’s fault for turning her to stone rather than just stop fighting the filly and her co conspirators who were trying to kill them and send them to therapy instead

Poor cozy, just a victim of circumstance and the mean old ponies and chaos spirit who manipulated, failed or just weren’t sympathetic enough towards her.

Personal responsibility doesn’t seem to be a concept to the more extreme cozy defenders. They need to accept some things though: Cozy was evil; Cozy was responsible for her actions; cozy was given ample opportunity to apply all that stuff she learned at friendship school and be a good pony but chose not to; cozy had proven multiple times to be a national threat despite basically just being a pegasus filly; and Cozy needed to be contained before her, her co conspirators the shapeshifter and the magical parasite centaur could strike again.

No one’s character was ruined when they turned cozy to stone just like it wasn’t when they did the same to discord in the S2 opener. No one in the main cast failed cozy glow and yes, kids can be psychopaths too.

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DarkHooves

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@Angrybrony
Stop inserting yourself into conversations you know nothing about.

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Ridleylash

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And? We have no evidence that the Friendship School is anything more than a joke.

I mean, the fact that it is treated in-canon as an entirely legitimate school with credentials that can be revoked and everything kind of blows the doors off of any idea that it’s a joke. Unless you want to then assume that Equestria has obscenely lax certification standards for schools, which seems ridiculous.

Okay,and?

Considering she conspired with enemies of the state to commit at the very best a despotic assumption of power and unlawful imprisonment after being given consequences for her actions in trying to use the school’s students to help her plan, was imprisoned once that was foiled and then immediately began another scheme in Tartarus, and her outright rejection of friendship in Frenemies, Cozy Glow doesn’t really seem to WANT reformation. Friendship is only a means to an end for her, a tactic to use to accomplish her goals.

That’s the difference; Starlight and Discord ultimately wanted to become better of their own volition, Cozy did not. And she’s just too dangerous to leave as a loose end; again, she very nearly brought the country to it’s knees just by manipulating a single school’s worth of students. Leave her alone and she could do that again, or even go larger and turn entire cities to her plan.

Children literally can’t be psychopaths by clinical definition, shortbus.

They usually aren’t called that because of the connotations the word has garnered, but the traits of psychopathy can absolutely manifest themselves in children, and Cozy exhibits a fair few; manipulation, dishonest charm, remorseless and she has grandiosity by the buckets when she’s made into an alicorn by the Bewitching Bell.

She’s arrogant, vicious, power-hungry, prejudiced and most importantly revels in those traits; she’s pretty thoroughly not a pleasant pony and not a pony who wants to improve, either. If they didn’t turn her to stone, she’d probably just end up a lifer in a maximum-security prison or, if they want to be particularly sure, outright executed for the whole bit where she committed treason.

No ending for Cozy is particularly swell, but it was all her own decisions that lead to it. The idea that every villain must be reformed some people have is irritating, because real life just…has people who commit horrific crimes and aren’t forgiven for them because they’re just too awful to forgive. And “trying to destroy all magic” and “trying to banish the Princesses to Tartarus and seize power” are both…really not that pleasant.

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Angrybrony

🔥Sunset is best girl🔥

@Background Pony #5F61
stop simping so hard.

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Glowin' up!

@Background Pony #5F61
Not very civil if you ask me.

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Glowin' up!

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They never treated it like a joke in the show and in the finale, the students united the different races because of the lessons they learned from the school. Cozy was being taught the same lessons as the Student 6 and while they became better because of them, Cozy was learning how to be able to use friendship for evil. She was treated with nothing but kindness since she got there and everypony loved her, but she just threw them all away because all she wanted was power.

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She was in Friendship School.

And? We have no evidence that the Friendship School is anything more than a joke.

She had clearly learned about friendship to the extent that she was able to use it to manipulate the ponies around her.

Okay,and?

a literal psychopath

Children literally can’t be psychopaths by clinical definition, shortbus.

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See @Background Pony #08D2

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Then you can’t let go either

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@Background Pony #3E34
What if I agree with OP though?

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@Background Pony #3E34
He wants cozy to get thrown in a padded cell and treated by doctors until she’s all better. As if Cozy hasn’t proved manipulative enough to weasel her way out of any scrutiny any doctor would give her.

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Cozy Glow didn’t get offered a second chance? Bullshit. She had plenty of chances to learn enough about friendship to know not to do the things she did in the first place. She was in Friendship School. She had clearly learned about friendship to the extent that she was able to use it to manipulate the ponies around her.

She knew, and she did the things she did anyway.

What are you supposed to do with a literal psychopath who, either through some sort of actual solipsistic inability to understand that other people exist or through sheer contemptuous lack of concern for them, simply does not care about who she hurts and will by all indications never get better?

I don’t get it. You whine about how she was treated “unfairly” but what would you define as a fair solution from the perspective of the people she will inevitably end up hurting all over again if she’s not dealt with? How is there much fairness to everyone else in that? I just cannot grasp your logic here.

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Not gonna lie, I kinda hope cozy stays in the rock forever now. It would be funny if the g5 cast come along and find the bad guy statue in some cave somewhere covered in moss and have no idea who these chuckleheads even are before just moving on with their adventure. The biggest threat to equestria ever now used as a throwaway jumpscare gag in some dark cave before never being referenced ever again.

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Cozy’s actions were just as bad and potentially destructive as Discord’s or Starlight’s and frankly, neither of those two were initially repentent. They only reached that point after they got a lot of help and a second chance.

What makes Cozy’s situation unfair is that she, unlike those two, was never given so much as an offer of a second chance let alone any proper rehabilitation.

As for sabatage, Discord, after all the development he went through was the one to not only bring the trio together with the sole purpose of setting them up for failure while using very cruel methods to keep them in line but also gave them the location of the bell. Not only did he betray the trust of his friends again with this act but it also painted him as a complete moron. Then there’s Celestia. The same mare who gave both her sister and Discord a second chance while allowing Starlight to be taken in by Twilight suddenly deciding that those three, two of whom again, were never offered a second chance, are irredeemable when again, Discord’s past actions were similarely horrible. Joining her is Luna, a former villain and Twilight and co., who personally saw how people can change if given proper help. The fact that they all supported just stoning them on sight while not even punishing Discord makes everyone there look like hypocrits hence the sabatage.

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If you demand that fictional characters always agree with YOU and YOUR judgments - of situations you’re not even in, but they are - I’m afraid you’re gonna go through life disappointed in almost every story. Real appreciation of literature isn’t about agreeing or disagreeing with the characters. It’s about working towards understanding them.

Facts!!!! As a aspiring writer i approve this message

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How is this at all unfair? Cozy Glow tried to destroy a critical component of the world they live in for her own selfish gain, and was duly punished for it. Then she had utterly no concern, repentance, or even understanding of why her actions would have hurt everyone, and tried to do her whole take-over-the-world thing all over again with equally complete disregard for hurting everyone, and was, accordingly, punished again.
What does “fair” even mean anymore if this is what qualifies as unfair? How does doing the perfectly reasonable thing “sabotage” the characters? I feel like you just want the characters to agree with you, or be doormats who exist for the purposes of being the puppets of the feel-good story you want to see, instead of having agency and being people with motivations and perspectives you have to actually think about a little bit.

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ya’ll are giving off some real “simping for a child” vibs

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Bp can’t let go.

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What? In what way would a normal prison or mental institution not have worked for Cozy? She’s just a normal filly and physically and magically far less dangerous then Discord or Starlight. Heck, even a house arrest could have held her. Even with Chrysalis and Tirek such measures were unnecesary. What were they going to do in that depowered state anyway?

And yes, its partially Discord’s fault. He gave them false promises, used threats, violance and manipulation to make them go along with his plan to an extent and literally give them the location of the bell. Why did he even need that anyway? And there’s still the fact that he did this long after he was given the same kind of second chance that the trio got. Yes, they were evil, but based on other examples, they deserved an attempt at rehabilitation.

And I know that it happened, I watched the show, after all. That won’t stop me and many others from liking or posting images like this or complaining about it because it was awful and sabataged multiple characters. If you don’t like it feel free to ignore it.

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Except the only way to beat cozy and her fellow villains who have proven beyond dangerous was to turn them to stone. But oh no, its all Discord’s fault they decided to try and kill everyone and seize power. Discord may have spurred them on but each one of them was more than willing to do what they did. And of course everyone agreed with discord’s suggestion they be turned to stone, the three of them were trying to kill everyone. They were evil, its not that hard to accept.

And accept it you need to. Also accept they (especially Cozy) are rocks now because, like it or not, that’s the canon ending they got. The first step to getting over this is admitting that it happened.

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