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I’d love to see her befriend human trixie.
And again, this humanized version of Starlight is lovely work.
I´m agree with you. I like Sunset and Starlight, but I’m going with Starlight cause she has more quixotic and malicious attitudes. And these are things that you can’t change with a movie.
Conversely you actually make a stronger case for Starlight than I’ve ever heard either.
But yeah, comparing the two probably isn’t healthy in the end anyway. I’m happy to agree to disagree on the subject, and leave it at that. And ya know, you made a cohesive, succinct, intelligent argument–I felt that deserved a similar response. Kudos
That being said, I never would have expected her to become the vastly polarizing character that she’s become. I think I’m one of few people who isn’t immediately triggered by Starlight. I actually like her character, I think she adds something that’s been kinda missing from the series for a few seasons now. As controversial as it seems to be a fan of hers, I still like her for what she is and people can bitch and moan about her all they want but it doesn’t change how I enjoy her.
I see your points - actually, you’ve presented the best points I’ve ever seen both in favor of Sunset’s arc and against Starlight’s. I always hope that someone with an opinion I don’t understand decides to go through the effort of explaining it, or at least attempting, and I can say with some honesty that prior to this I haven’t actually seen a single good argument.
I suppose in the end it comes down to what makes it so Starlight is so interesting to me while Sunset is not. A big part of this for me is how much of Sunset’s potential detail ended up forgotten: they never bring up how she earns money, where she lives, whether she has someone in Equestria, whether she wants to reconcile with Celestia, whether she misses home, etc. The total droppage of all that always sours my opinion a bit. Plus I always felt that she was just too different from her old self, to the point of complete disassociation, and she didn’t have enough flaws or internal trouble, which seems both unrealistic and a wasted opportunity. I really appreciate every time Starlight gets angry, or awkward, or guilty, because it highlights how different a life she’s had (compared to your regular pony) and how it shaped her and how she’s trying to reshape herself; while the outside reaction to Sunset is indeed more reasonable, I don’t find it makes her interesting as a character. There are good Sunset fics where she remains irritable and skeptical about friendship for a while, and I feel like that was almost necessary for her. The struggles are what makes Starlight for me, they are interesting to follow. Sunset is just magically turned into a near expert in friendship (well, she spends Rainbow Rocks sulking in the shadows before that, but still).
I’m wondering, if you can imagine it, what would you think of Sunset if she spent at least RR and a portion of FG being somewhat snarky, temperamental, or otherwise more connected to her old personality? I think that if her change to the person she is right now was gradual, I’d love her a lot. Granted, Starlight’s change isn’t all shown either, but at least we get to see what changes her mind, and many further hurdles on her path to becoming a good, well-adjusted person. With Sunset it’s more of a being accepted as a changed person quest, and with Starlight it’s still the changing as a person quest.
But, yeah, it probably comes down to precisely what makes us love a character. I love seeing the contrast to every other character that Starlight presents, noticing all the realistic-ish details of her personality that have stemmed from her past, and watching her progress. With Sunset, there’s just nothing that interests me.
Sorry if I seem too acerbic - I don’t mean to blame you here but the comparisons between Sunset and Starlight bother me when they’re so diametrically opposed to how I see them, it always feels like there’s some grand misunderstanding at the root of it and I should be as direct and blunt as possible with my counterpoint. Also, it seems like that’s my best shot to drag some actual arguments out of the opposing side, which I suppose in this case worked well enough - I didn’t expect you to dignify my comment with a reply, tbh :P
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Fair enough. Someone people definitely compare her more to Twilight, and I can see that too.
I’m also willing to accept that she is ultimately her own character, and to drop the comparison. And again, I don’t have so much a problem with her character, as what the writers do with her circumstance. That’s a nuanced distinction I guess though, and I might be splitting hairs.
In any case, sincere thanks for being respectful where you disagree with me; that’s an admirable trait that’s becoming harder to find these days, it seems; and I’m feeling the need to praise it where I see it.
I’m with you on the whole rushed reformation. I thought there should of been more to it. I can understand why people soured on her, and still do to this day. But personally, i wouldn’t say having a rushed story equals this character is one and done and a lost cause. I’m willing to give characters a chance. During Season 6, i defiantly warmed up to her. And saw a lot of myself in her. I don’t think she’s a bad character at all, Unpopular opinion, but i’m not really a fan of the Starlight Sunset comparisons, or that Starlight is a sunset clone. Sorry, i don’t see any obvious similarities that she’s somehow a Sunset clone, or she’s copying Sunset.
Also, while i do think Sunset’s story was better, i don’t want to have to feel like. I have to pick one character or the other. I honestly like both characters.
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I haven’t read a single Sunset fic myself (I don’t read much fanfiction at all really), so that doesn’t apply to me at least.
In general I feel the opposite is true. Starlight’s redemption was crammed into the last five minutes of a season finale, in which everyone suddenly forgives and loves her unconditionally just because she said “Sorry I goofed”. After that she’s just lovingly awkward about trying to being a good person and everyone forgets all the bad shit she did.
Meanwhile Sunset spends the entirely of a movie having to EARN her redemption through constant judgement and criticism–which demonstrates a greater strength of integrity I think. The mane 6 give her a honest 2nd chance, but even Twilight (who originally offered it) couldn’t let go of a bit of suspicion. And in the 3rd movie she had to demonstrate her capability of as a leader; she goofed there too, and people held her to it, and she owned her mistakes by the end; And she brings her character arc full-circle by enlightening Sci-Twi.
Starlight’s own character bugs me less than her circumstance–she’s incidentally a karma-houdini which robs her character arc of any impact or significance and smacks of an unwillingness to challenge younger audiences with deeper themes, in favor of sugar-coating her past conflict. Starlight herself feels guilt, but it ends up being Mary-Sue ish because NO ONE ELSE holds her to her crimes, with the one vague exception of Twilight’s concern about Starlight hanging out with Trixie but that was more a suspicion of Trixie’s poor influence than anything else.
Basically, I don’t think Starlight herself is boring or a bad character so much as the plot around her is poorly written. I’ve actually warmed up to Starlight herself quite a bit in the last year or so.
On a more personal note, I find it frustrating because a lot of people don’t even give Sunset’s plot a honest chance since EqG doesn’t feature ponies themselves and there’s a ton of irrational bias against the series, favoring Starlight simply because they’ve always dismissed Equestria Girls as inherently inferior.
I could go on–but in the end, all of what you or I are saying comes down to a lot of personal opinion, as does a lot artistic interpretation. I’m pretty sure nothing I’ve said here will change your mind one bit, and I’m okay with that. I hope you’ll be the same in the inverse. I also appreciate you not being an asshole about it, like someone else in this comment thread–though I implore you to be less acerbic in your criticism of Sunset, as I try (though sometimes fail) of Starlight.
Because really, we’re all here in this fandom to have fun, are we not?
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100% with you on Sunset vs Starlight. It always baffles me when people legitimately claim that Sunset’s “arc” was in any way better than Starlight. It was not good in general, let alone better than one of the show’s best characters’. Her “arc” consists of throwing the bland evil character away and then inexplicably becoming a bland good person instead, with no personality or backstory for three movies. The opposite opinion always seems like a deep delusion born of reading too many Sunset fanfics where talented writers actually give her some character.
Still, the movies are great despite the utterly ignorable protagonist, and this picture is pretty too.
And that’s the response of someone with crippling insecurity.
What’s the matter? Gotta prove me wrong? Can’t sleep tonight unless you bullet list why you think I’m wrong on every point? By all means, go for it. Be my guest and waste your time.
I don’t know about you kid, but I’ve been in too many internet arguments, and ones far more flamey than this, to think that spending any amount of my time trying to convince someone else of something they clearly feel strongly about is worth the effort. And that’s even about real issues and concerns. This is. . .petty by comparison. And if you were a mature adult, you’d feel the same.
I mean, what purpose would me retaliating with my bevy of arguments serve? To prove you wrong? To lord over you that I was right about my favorite character, and you were wrong about yours? Do you think that would ever actually happen? Do you not see how infantile such a pursuit is? Again, if you were a mature adult, you’d realize this.
I opted not to take the passive-aggressive bait of your first post in the interest of not getting into an argument. I expressly responded in a way that didn’t compromise my feelings on the subject, still respected yours, and theoretically ended the topic. But you still just couldn’t let it be?
Damn, you got a lot of growing up to do, kid.
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I like to think that there is a reason behind such striking similarity behind Sunset, Starlight and Twilight, like them having a mystical, yet unrevealed bond.
People don’t have to argue with you about everything - especially when you’re talking about 100% everybody would this or that. Just drop it please.
It’s a pretty drawing of Starlight Glimmer. Let’s just enjoy the very pretty drawing.
That’s the response of someone with no legitimate back argument.
@Mojo
I respect your opinions where they diverge from mine, but strongly maintain my own stance. I appreciate your civility but I’m really not interested in discussing it. Too much energy spent for what would probably be minimal change either way. Plus, this doesn’t really seem like the proper place for it.
I just drew a pretty picture of Glimmer. Let’s leave it at that.
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I can’t agree with you on Starlight Vs Sunset, for me it’s the exact opposite, Sunset is the one where everything was super rushed, it was all crammed into RR and afterwards she’s pretty much perfect and frankly it ruined her for me, FG and LoE Sunset is the single worst thing a character can be: BORING, there’s little left to do with her and she’s just stuck in this mentor role. Starlight becoming a better pony is far more gradual and she still makes mistakes, which gives her a lot more storytelling potential.
Really if Starlight had been first and Sunset second I can bet you 100% Starlight would be loved by all and Sunset would be the basebreaker.
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And it’s funny that one of Starlight’s images in the official site files is still Aria. It’s being used as a placeholder until they finish the Equestria Girls part of the site (since there’s no other Starlight vectors yet aside from her profile image), but still funny that they’d pick that.
I don’t understand your criticism of her design. If you have a problem with her colors being “this-will-generically-appeal-to-all-little-girls-everywhere”, then I have to imagine you can’t stand the look of the show in general, up to and including all original characters because they all have the same types of decisions going into their design.
As for her being the same character as Sunset, I couldn’t disagree more. All likenesses end with them once being villains. Their motivations, methods. and personalities are all pretty different from each other. As just one example we would never see Sunset believe that it’s okay to use her demon mind control powers on her new human friends over a misunderstanding or stress, but it’s exactly what Starlight did. Even after being reformed they have very different views and issues to work out. Hell, by now Sunset really has no issues left to work out.
Also on the point of Starlight having a rushed reformation, you are completely right. Just as you would be right if you said that about Luna, Sunset Shimmer, or Discord. While it is a valid complaint about the show, it is not something that can be laid squarely at the hooves of Starlight. Even so, at least Starlight chose on her own to genuinely try to change rather than be brainwashed via rainbow blasts or threatened with stone imprisonment if she failed to comply. Having been in the position of power and still choosing to give up and change makes Starlight’s reform (rushed or not) the most honest one the show has yet done.
Oh - yeah, good points, all of them. And I agree she looks like the result of “design by committee and research group”. In a lot of ways, she’s the “mission statement” of the show, with more Garfields per design choice than even princess Flurry Heart.
But, I think this is also a sign of Hasbro using their “Push the toys” approach to the show, like when a Transformer toy will be selling well, so they’ll instruct the studio to substitute another character who isn’t selling well in the next episode, whether it makes story sense or not. And, I definitely agree. I would not be a bit surprised to hear a writer say that they were asked to recreate Sunset’s character in the TV show.
But, I find it VERY interesting that they are pushing the friendship with Trixie so hard, and the amount of interaction between Trixie and Discord that they’re scripting. It almost feels like they are trying to create a second set of characters - a “B Line” if you will - that could carry the weight if the Mane6 actors were busy with some other project, and they needed to fill some slots.
Everything they did with Episode 100 is so fascinating to me, because you listen to M.A.Larson talk about sending scripts to Hasbro, and them responding with “No - SHIP IT HARDER”, and the effort Hasbro was making to bring the secondary characters up to toy status, which they then fulfilled with actual Derpy toys and Octavias on shelves in Target.
So, I agree that they seem to be setting up Glimmer as a new group leader, but … spin-off? Separate TV specials?
Who knows?
And, I totally appreciate your drawing of her - you really gave her good energy and movement without going to Sunset Shimmer. Too often people just draw Sunset Glimmer with Starlight’s palette, and you managed to capture Starlight and give her a very unique energy.
That’s one of the things I love about your art - even if you aren’t a fan of a character, you can really bring them to life!
So, I’m eager to see if this is going to result in a new line of Discord + Trixie + Glimmer + Thorax toys or shows, or even a spin-off, but I’m also hopeful that the movie will rock Hasbro’s bank account so hard they double-down on the Mane 6.
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Part of my issue with Starlight is her design involves what is basically a text-book focus-group tested-by-corporations “this-will-generically-appeal-to-all-little-girls-everywhere” color-scheme; That is to say, Pink, Purple, and Cyan. It’s a un-creative choice that is symptomatic of corporations making design decisions instead of artists, and smacks of a generalization that says “Let’s make a character specifically for selling more toys”. Frustratingly, it seems to be working, as Starlight is incredibly popular with the little girl demographic, to the point of supplanting other characters.
This is made worse by what I would interpret as poor writing for her; her character arc is basically the same as Sunset’s but inferior and rushed. I guess I worry that she’s gonna eventually replace Twilight and/or Sunset as group leaders, when she herself is not nearly as well developed. This is why I occasionally refer to her as “Diet-Soda Sunset Shimmer” when I’m feeling more acerbic.
But, I know she has her genuine fans–and I try not to be negative about her publicly for that reason; it’s not very productive either. So I try to be generally positive, and keep my criticism relatively private and mild.
However, I drew this picture because I genuinely do like aspects of her human design (if not the colors), and I’m sure the Starlight fans would appreciate it. I really hope the writers will make better use of her, but regardless she’s obviously her to stay, so it’s better to reconcile with that than starting unnecessary drama.
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