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Sunset is a leader of mane 6 in EQG.
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Because she’s supposed to be Sci-Twi’s mentor.
Though I guess that means as Sci-Twi got one over on Starlight.
But sunset also has issues with becoming a permanent alicorn after selfishly pursuing her method for so long.
Thus, she has to meet celestia first, while in the meantime sci twi becomes a non seraph level alicorn.
On one hand, it makes sense for Twilight to be an alicorn, seeing as her pony counterpart is.
On the other hand, it doesn’t, because she’s had no where near as much experience as Sunset.
It’s less wanting Sunset to be an alicorn & more it’s weird for Sci-Twi to be an alicorn while Sunset isn’t one, I think.
Demon Sunset had wings so it wasn’t weird when Demon Twilight had wings.
It’s not that it’s hard to understand or such things regarding Sci-Twi being an alicorn. What I want is some more attention brought to the event, Sunset reacting more to it or something. Maybe Sunset Shimmer explaining the importance of alicornhood in Equestria to Sci-Twi. At the very least I want her to remark upon it as odd.
Preferably I’d like some form of justification exposition in the series itself like some sort of direct siphoning of counterparts situation or even just something like your explanation being a more explicit part of the story.
I’m not really a fan of the direction, but I’d be less annoyed with better/more detailed exposition from the series itself.
(Which it still has a chance to do.)
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Again, i fail to see your point.
One, I want to see sunset to get permanent and stronger alicorn powers then twi AFTER twi got hers, and after seeing celestia again. It wouldn’t feel right out of order. Eg3 showed that not only is the alicorn potential in sunset real, it’s uber powerful. I already saw the wings coming in eg3 end when they showed a smaller star akin to luna in twilight’s color and a larger star akin to celestia in sunset’s color.
Two, pony twi never deserved hers over the others to begin with, even the writers admitted the episode was too rushed to justify anything. Human Twilight wanted to fight evil for her friends while also fighting the corruption in her heart? Sounds fair to me. Pony twi was sent a messed up spellbook that was even bashed by the writers in EG2? Not so justified. :/
Three, what’s hard to understand about sci twi’s ascension? Becoming an alicorn with everyone willingly sharing their power to her in a time of need where she was losing control and confidence was waning. It was thematic. The wings were already there when she turned into midnight sparkle.
You’re too used to seeing alicornship as a reward. It aint for her, it’s currently her way of being strong and brave enough compared to the others.
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Yeah, “temporary” is a pretty key word there. Sci-Twi seems to have those things permanently now.
While I don’t believe Sci-Twi deserves alicornhood (at least yet), the real problem I have with it is that they don’t really explain or even really remark much upon the peculiarity of her being winged within the story itself. The story mainly just hasn’t done a good enough job explaining alicorn Sci-Twi by itself yet.
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So? Sunset’s already achieved a WAY higher temporary alicorn hero form then either twilight has achieved, and sunset’s still the leader.
No princess bs or celestia cheating twilight into alicornship, simply sci twi surpassing herself with her friends help and also the series showing she’s not unequal to pony twi. (If pony twi never had them, then sci twi would not need to surpass herself so literally, but that’s the narrative of twilight, too late to change, so they just decided to write sci twi with the alicorn narrative better then the stupid spellbook.)
Again, like I said before, nothing big enough to complain about.
@PonyPon
Ain’t that kind of counter intuitive? Lack of empathetic guilt is one of the traits on pony twi’s shitlist of issues we both have with her, yet human twilight was driven to panic of having such power possibly being out of check DUE to unfiltered caring and lingering guilt about her friends.
She was panicky and jumping to conclusions, very true, but she wouldn’t be twilight sparkle if she wasn’t, but unlike pony twi, her only concern and drive for her panic was first and foremost her friends, not some half baked desire be celestia’s perfect student/princess.
Her deciding to leave camp without any other solid leads besides herself was a misguided but proactive and selfless decision.
Was it too irrational? Good. That’s showing consistency.
Like luna’s unhealthy therapy with the tantabus, sci twi was suffering from a sort of magical corruption ptsd. My Past Is Not Today showed how sunset’s friendship and charisma spared her the same fate, but neither twi is as strong willed as sunset.
Her nightterrors were even causing her to use magic in her sleep, which could easily be unsafe. I’d be dissapointed if she came out of midnight sparkle experiance perfectly mentally sound, but she endured it.
So yeah, breaking it down, I’m not seeing any reason to complain. It wasn’t perfect, but it was hardly horrible.
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Her fear of a corrupt “Other Her” that didn’t exist to the capacity she thought it did already bumped her out of that for me.
Or her complete lack of agency before that.
We’ll see how ‘balanced’ she is in the shows to come.
Sci-Twi’s character balance got thrown of when she got wings though, in my opinion…
Look at it from this perspective…
The show has invested 6 whole seasons on how great pony Twilight is, 3-4 seasons focused more on her then others. And while we like a lot of her base personality and quirks, pony twilight is, bluntly but sincerely, a massive tool and killjoy. ‘Interesting’ is not one normally uses to describe twilight, I’ve rarely heard people call her that. Not to mention her life is hardly relatable.
Its supply and demand dude. Hasbro has Dhx supply the shit out of us with pony twilight, and the demand is not as high, and sci twi fits the demand that twilight herself doesn’t get. Sci twi IS twilght sparkle, but she is also a well balanced character.
We now have an exceptional new main character, a well balanced twilight, and with the other 5, the group is complete.
Remember, the original ending was scrapped before completion intentionally.
Sci twi was mentioned as early as eg1, her being separate from the group was a nonsensical conclusion.
As for what dissapointed you this much or anything with unrealistic focus on the shadowbolts so soon…I can’t help you with that.
You could more properly that I don’t believe the small differences between them make either less or more interesting than the other.
>There’s hardly any difference between her and pony Twilight
Well duh, they’re the same character at heart. Same name, same family, same interests, same personalities. I’d be more annoyed if she wasn’t like her pony counterpart.
I don’t hate EqG Twilight. Not at all. I love her a lot in fact, but I seperate feelings from thoughts, and doesn’t change the fact that I believe her character is almost wasted much like Sunset’s.
She was forced considering the original ending to Friendship Games involved her going back to her old school. Thus, the ending was changed to force her into the group. Whether you believe that the change was good is another thing entirely.
Well if that makes her interesting enough to you than by all means.
As for the Shadowbolts… I don’t feel like writing more paragraphs. It’s a rather grandiose problem EqG in general has.
To be frank, it’s essentially an intrinsic problem. The writing team has done good with what they had… yet it’s still disappointing to me how it turned out.
If this is just going to be a hatefest about sci-twi being a main character this is going to be a fruitless conversation and we might as well stop responding.
I JUST listed several reasons on how she is not forced even excluding hasbro, and there were even some I didn’t mention, like pinkie mentioned her offhand in EG1 and how without all 7 elements, the elements of harmony and the main characters can never reach their full potential as shown in rainbow rocks.
Nearly 40% of pony twi’s persona and motivations are based on her being raised and obsessed to please celestia, something sci-twi shares 0 in common with pony twi. She has more fun then pony Twilight despite being insecure, and many other differences.
As opposed to transferring to people she just met? No duh. No one at her school was her friend, she bonded with fluttershy, aj and sunset rapidly, and her main interest was magic, and after, not losing control again.
Eg4 had no place for the shadowbolts or their relationships, they are still flushing out the dynamic for the humane 7. They are completely irrelevant, for now, and they were never written in to bond with sci twi in eg3.
What is so important about the shadowbolts that their development needs to happen right after they are first shown as minor characters? Again, I am not against them being involved much later on.
Take Legend of Everfree for example. Instead of having only select few students there from Canterlot High, some Crystal Prep students could’ve gone also, with the excuse being a a bonding experience after the Friendship Games. It would be refreshing instead of the show following the unwritten rule of antagonists not immediately appearing again (Starlight Glimmer being the only notable exception, and perhaps EqG Twilight)
She was forced in. As in, literally forced in. There’s hardly any difference between her and pony Twilight, unless you believe glasses, social confidence and romances a just-introduced character that happens to know a few words she likes with that confidence a “great character”. Her struggle with Midnight was decent, but hardly enough to make her more interesting.
As opposed to her suddenly transferring schools in the middle of the school over people she just met? No less unrealistic than staying. Particularly if her dynamic with the shadow five was improved, which it definitely could’ve.
Perhaps, but only now since they made a whole movie to excuse EqG Twilight getting a necklace.
Oh I agree that not having Twilight in the main group might not be a bad thing, I’m simply stating that having a secondary group in the first place for a series that’s already a side series is superfluous and is completely unrealistic. The Shadowbolts were not bad in any way, but they were hardly interesting enough to warrant main character levels of attention (right away at least), and if the sequels focused on Twilight in Crystal Prep, they would be.
Plus, since the Shadowbolts have only just learned to be less dicks, young Sci Twi would have to be the moral compass of the group in a school that’s still very unpleasant and still run by a jerk principal? Kind of putting her on a pedestal if they did, which is one of the things they’re rightfully trying to avoid with Sci Twi compared to her counterpart.
No, the best thing for the Shadowbolts is to have a non immediate sequel without Twilight in Crystal Prep, and if they warrant it, show how the Shadowbolts have grown and connect with Sci Twi and the others compared to when they first met. An immediate Eg3-2 sequel with more focus on the Shadowbolts and Sci Twi was never going to happen. The ending where she goes back to Crystal Prep satisfied was pretty unrealistic considering the circumstances.
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And as for Sci-Twi herself, she was a good enough character that she bonded with the Humane 6 within 2 movies and quickly fit into her own equal dynamic within the group far different then the unequal system Celestia made Pony Twilight out to have.
“it could’ve been done better”
Compared to the way the show handles 90% of the premiers and finales and 90% of the screentime in said two parters, ‘it could’ve been done better’ for the EG sequels is an infinitely better improvement from a critic’s critique, over ‘it could’ve not completely sucked’ for the 2 parters. The sequels could of been far, far worse.
Besides, whether she likes it or not, Sci Twi is Twilight Sparkle, the element of magic’s chosen for the human world. There’s no reason for her to be separate from the Main group unless they gave us major reason to believe otherwise.
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EqG Twilight and pony Twilight are becoming more and more distinguished over time. Hard to explain really, but I hardly would call not having a Twilight in the main group a bad thing. For Hasbro yes of course.
Which is why sequels exist. They could’ve been gotten some much needed development and would’ve been better in my opinion for all characters involved.
I don’t mind how it developed now, but like everything it could’ve been done better.
Agreed.
@Josh103
I don’t think it would of been plausible.
Not only 1) would we have been denied having a Twilight in the group, with all the nerdiness and neuorosis of the original, but without the insane desire to please Celestia (which even S6 Celestia is getting sick of), and be treated like the world revolves around her. And learning from a more relatable mentor who’s also a main character, Sunset…
2) EG is already a spin off. It would be completely unfeasible to have the Crystal Prep 5 develop around Sci Twi while also focusing on the main group of Sunset’s. I’d like more appearences with the Shadowbolts, but they are hardly a priority. Even in the original script, the Shadowbolts were not given more character development.
Sunset’s issues with home, going or even visiting, was sadly removed from the script of EG3, but honestly there was not enough in it along with the rest of the plot, and it needs its own movie as an overarching theme, hopefully one with EG interactions in Equestria.
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Yet.
She’s got seraph level alicorn potential, but I sincerely doubt she will ascend permanently until she resolves her differences with Celestia in person. It honestly feels better that Sci Twi, who’s developing more naturally and less Celestia obsessively then pony Twi, becomes an alicorn first but doesn’t become a princess.
Sunset is still the leader. Sci Twilight didn’t become an alicorn because Celestia turned her into an alicorn princess because she’s simply more special and more deserving in Celestia’s mind, Sci-Twi was burdened with a dangerous alicorn level part of her persona that she couldn’t conquer alone…..
..,Luna was a powerful alicorn and dark emotions turned her into a nightmare, and her recovery was not a healthy one. Sci Twi’s story is in reverse, she was burdened by touching unimaginable power and dark emotions, fought with it for the sake of her friends but didn’t have the will to conquer it on her own but Sunset in the others WILLINGLY lent her the power to surpass her fears. That’s what her alicornship represents….not nobility or superiority, but her strength to surpass herself because of her friends.
Doesn’t sound too shabby to me. Sounds like good development.
Think about it this way. The Mane and Humane 5 are already uber capable, they never needed alicornship, they are already natural heroes. Sci Twi is now a capable member of the group but she is hardly a mary sue and hardly a leader. They didn’t make a huge deal about her alicornship but neither is Sci Twi inferior to Pony Twilight in the potential department now either. Twilight’s in the group as equals like they were leaning more towards early in the show, with no Princess Celestia to say otherwise. I know some people have some issues with EG4 in general, but I’m honestly okay with it feeling like EG3.5. Gives room to develop the 7 casually, not just within the thick of super big plots.
So I honestly don’t see the problem is here. Sunset’s still the leader and Twi’s ascension wasn’t a huge deal, didn’t involve princesshood, and it helps buildup for Sunset’s own (if permanent).
But hey, that’s simply how I see it. Does what I’m saying make sense?
It would’ve been better for EqG Twilight to stay at Crystal Prep. That way there would’ve been a natural way for EqG Twilight to make new friends with the Shadow Five and give them some much needed characterization instead of just a rehash of FiM’s season openers/finales but with humans as it is now.
Sunset can still be shown growing as a character with that ending, and in fact did, since she chose her friends in EqG over returning to Equestria despite wanting to.
Because it shows how much Sunset has grown as a character since the first by helping someone who’s in the place she was at.
trust me, Its not just you
sigh… why they changed the real ending of the friendship games?…
I honestly dislike her (even her dessign) and I agree. I still think EG would work so much better without Twilight. Nothing would happen if Sunset was “Twilight” for HuMane 6 and there was no Twilight at all (or just pony Twilight coming for a visit). MLP could have Twilight and EG could have Sunset. But that’s just me.