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Mate, i’m not sure you’re understanding me, do you not understand how prose works in order to convey feelings (what is called the tone)?
 
It’s not that I didn’t experience the same feelings as the characters, I would never judge any work of literary fiction (which is largely more character than plot based) because of that. My point is that the prose fails to convey those feelings the characters are experience. A good example of prose being used as an aesthetic is Sound And The Fury, which alternates between wildly different styles if writing in order to convey the different personalities of the characters - conveying just how fuddled Quentin’s mind is – or how terse and sarcastic Jason can be.
 
It doesn’t matter how it changed the characters because all the events portrayed are strictly on the genre fiction side of writing. It’s not that they exist only in fantasy, is that they could only exist purely in fantasy (power fantasies, at that). Granted, so does MLP, but despite the magic and ponies in the show, it’s clear that the ponies have human personalities with realistic flaws and virtues.
 
Shit prose (inb4 prose is subjective) and genre fiction cliches does not a good story make.
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“There are even artists who weren’t appreciated until after they died.”
Yeah, but that’s the difference. Henry Darger never tried to publish anything and in fact, we only even know of his art and writing because his landlord recognized the value in it, and he’s now one of the most, if not the most, influential outsider artists ever.
That’s the difference between it, I have serious doubts that in three decades or so will still be remembered, while it’s very likely that Henry Darger will still be widely remembered.
I don’t buy into hype culture, I would say I’m a stoic, like Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus. That means i simply don’t get hyped or get high hopes for much of anything. I went into it, I read part of it, and I thought it was laughable. Should it be shorter I would have read it in it’s entirety, but i’m not gonna read something I don’t like if I could read Infinite Jest (or any such book) twice over. I wasn’t disappointed, i thought it was bad.
“But as I said before you can’t argue or convince someone to have a taste.”
Alright then, i’ll tell them to learn to appreciate more high brow works, or are you going to argue that it’s impossible to argue that Fo:E is not on the same literary calibre of the works of Faulkner (or any other excellent, widely acclaimed writer? I didn’t write it like that because it sounds pretentious.
About what’s on the pic, like I said, you’re probably right, I can’t even judge because i never finished it, so unless Littlepip goes full Unit 731 or something, I doubt she’s worst than the raiders. And even that is a staple of shitty genre fiction, the “raiders” are essentially just an always chaotic evil “race”, something that the heroes can butcher mercilessly without moral dilemmas. Even Tolkien himself handled the Orcs with care and nuance, showing that they did it less out of evil and more out of fear of Sauron.
 
So then you should see the issue with saying you’re disappointed with not feeling same level of horrified as a reason?
 
The story is about the character’s development and how these situations changed them.
 
This is already a recognizable mashing of two well known series with similar scenes done in a way no one thought could work. In fact if you played fallout 3 as much as someone like I you can recognize quite a few of them.
 
If your criticism was really about not experiencing the same emotions as a character who stepped out of the stable for the first time (and the following scene mainly showing the seriousness of the setting and the reaction of a new person’s experience to it) then you should of already left when she experienced vertigo.
 
You can be upset about mouth-held weapons and pastel horses, but the rest of it has been ridiculous at best. It seems that even you realize hating something over sound effects sounded pretty ridiculous.
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@AaronMk  
This guy gets it.  
Artistic and literary merit has nothing to do with with either popularity or commercial success.  
Some excellent artists were deservedly acclaimed in their time, others were barely acknowledged (in Darger’s case, not at all), and everything in between.
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True. But then neither is MLP, but it still manage to draw a crowd.
 
To add: a work doesn’t have to be high-brow for it to draw a large following. See: the Twilight series. Or 50 Shades. Or even those books about those feral cats. Harry Potter too may not be seen as intellectually ground breaking either. Commercial success isn’t the same as creative or artistic genius. The two are totally independent of one another. A work may be the novel or author other authors follow because of genius understood only by authors, but may be failed to be understood by a general audience.
 
Hell, beyond writing fiction (or non-fiction, any book really) what determines popularity and longevity in music even isn’t quiet the same. There were artists or bands in the sixties and seventies that outdid Led Zeppelin and the rest of the classic rock period but ultimately died out and were forgotten while the comparatively commercially unsuccessful (as in, they ranked lower on the Billboard top 100) groups like Led Zeppelin that managed to obtain and ride along on effective immortality at this point.
 
I suppose the point I’m trying to make as an extrapolation is that believing there’s some assured metric to success is incorrect and even if something is highly intelligent it can live or die as arbitrarily as anything else in the market.
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“I have serious doubts that in three decades or so will still be remembered, while it’s very likely that Henry Darger will still be widely remembered.”
 
It’s true that Kkat’s work probably won’t outlast the fandom, and so compared to a published work that is promoted for profit, it won’t seem as large. But is that a fair comparison? Kkat has explicitly avoided publishing her works to keep them free for any who are interested, and uses her pseudonym to focus on writing for the MLP community. And in that community, she’s well known for her work. That’s about as good as it could get.
 
And, frankly, there’s always a bigger fish. I’d never heard of Henry Darger before you brought him up, and I probably won’t remember him in a week. I mean, compared to a well known creator like George Lucas, he’s barely known. I’m sure while the Star Wars franchise continues to grow into an enormously valuable and well known IP, Darger’s legacy will appear to comparatively languish. ;P
 
“… i’ll tell them to learn to appreciate more high brow works … Fo:E is not on the same literary calibre of the works of Faulkner …”
 
True. But then neither is MLP, and it still manage to draw a crowd.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
“There are even artists who weren’t appreciated until after they died.”  
Yeah, but that’s the difference. Henry Darger never tried to publish anything and in fact, we only even know of his art and writing because his landlord recognized the value in it, and he’s now one of the most, if not the most, influential outsider artists ever.
 
That’s the difference between it, I have serious doubts that in three decades or so will still be remembered, while it’s very likely that Henry Darger will still be widely remembered.
 
I don’t buy into hype culture, I would say I’m a stoic, like Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus. That means i simply don’t get hyped or get high hopes for much of anything. I went into it, I read part of it, and I thought it was laughable. Should it be shorter I would have read it in it’s entirety, but i’m not gonna read something I don’t like if I could read Infinite Jest (or any such book) twice over. I wasn’t disappointed, i thought it was bad.
 
“But as I said before you can’t argue or convince someone to have a taste.”  
Alright then, i’ll tell them to learn to appreciate more high brow works, or are you going to argue that it’s impossible to argue that Fo:E is not on the same literary calibre of the works of Faulkner (or any other excellent, widely acclaimed writer? I didn’t write it like that because it sounds pretentious.
 
About what’s on the pic, like I said, you’re probably right, I can’t even judge because i never finished it, so unless Littlepip goes full Unit 731 or something, I doubt she’s worst than the raiders. And even that is a staple of shitty genre fiction, the “raiders” are essentially just an always chaotic evil “race”, something that the heroes can butcher mercilessly without moral dilemmas. Even Tolkien himself handled the Orcs with care and nuance, showing that they did it less out of evil and more out of fear of Sauron.
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@Background Pony #08AA
I’m more than apathetic to our species even, my point is just that it fucks with the tone. Specially when it’s stated that earth ponies and pegasi use mouth operated triggers or something to fire guns. Tone is very important. If a scene is meant to be horrifying, it means the writer failed when i’m baffled in laughter.
 
Nah, it’s rare that any art has an equal appeal against all who view it.
 
There are even artists who weren’t appreciated until after they died.
 
You being turned off doesn’t make it a failure, it just means it isn’t something you like. Or your expectations due to hype culture ruined you before you actually started. I’ve never met anyone who has been hyped for something that wasn’t disappointed.
 
But as I said before you can’t argue or convince someone to have a taste. The statements in the picture are the only objective thing that can be proven wrong.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
I’m more than apathetic to our species even, my point is just that it fucks with the tone. Specially when it’s stated that earth ponies and pegasi use mouth operated triggers or something to fire guns. Tone is very important. If a scene is meant to be horrifying, it means the writer failed when i’m baffled in laughter.
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@habitantunholycity
 
I’ll give you pastel horses in post apoc, I know that is tough for some to get over. Although for me that is a more powerful attribute given how apathetic I am to our species in general.
 
However are you really saying you’ve never liked a story that had written sound effects before?
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@Background Pony #08AA  
Tolstoi ain’t even near my favorite writers, i just picked that example because that cover truly is abysmal, I’m more of a Ligotti man myself.
 
And yeah, it was quite a bit into the story. I wasn’t really enjoying it, i just kinda sat through it, but then it got to the gunfights and my god, is it hilarious. What fucking prose writer uses written sound effects in gunfights?
 
Besides, i just lost the ability to take it seriously. The setting’s darkness just gets so bloody ridiculous that it fucks with suspension with disbelief and the fact that it’s all happening to paster coloured talking ponies just immolates the tone. It’s not even that it’s overwhelmingly dark, i like that. Take Guyotat’s Eden Eden Eden, also in an apocalyptic land, it has way more graphic descriptions of way worse atrocities, but it works because the prose works with the tone and imagery to create the aesthetic Guyotat was aiming for.
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@Background Pony #08AA
I don’t judge a book by the cover, my copy of War & Peace has the shitty TV show cover because it was the cheapest edition i found and i didn’t care about covers.
I did give it a chance, and though it was quite a while ago, I do believe the time where I stopped was when Kkat wrote a gunfight, which were so bad they made my lungs burst from my mouth from laughter. Plus, this was way back in the day, I approached it because people were talking about it and i wanted to see what the fuss was about.
I judged it quickly because it’s genre shit, and particularly badly written. Perhaps it’s some masterpiece of storytelling (i fucking doubt it, though), but I believe writing is far more than just story telling, some of the greatest pieces of writing of all time have little or in fact, no story telling at all.
 
Ah war and peace, the bookworm’s edgy. The black friend of everyone who acts racist.
 
And now I can’t argue taste in writing, as obviously I disagree with you. And I have also read the mainstream books you seem to be proud of and liked them. So clearly we won’t be getting anywhere productive here.
 
I’m really wondering what gunfight you’re talking about, because there was quite a bit before one actually happened. And if that’s what triggered you it seems like it was more of the hype you wanted to disprove then anything.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
I don’t judge a book by the cover, my copy of War & Peace has the shitty TV show cover because it was the cheapest edition i found and i didn’t care about covers.
 
I did give it a chance, and though it was quite a while ago, I do believe the time where I stopped was when Kkat wrote a gunfight, which were so bad they made my lungs burst from my mouth from laughter. Plus, this was way back in the day, I approached it because people were talking about it and i wanted to see what the fuss was about.
 
I judged it quickly because it’s genre shit, and particularly badly written. Perhaps it’s some masterpiece of storytelling (i fucking doubt it, though), but I believe writing is far more than just story telling, some of the greatest pieces of writing of all time have little or in fact, no story telling at all.
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From what i see, you may be entirely correct in your reasoning, again, I haven’t read it to completion nor do I intend to, and it would be silly of me to judge a character when i haven’t even read the piece she’s in, wouldn’t it?
 
Well that’s not too far of a stretch, you judged the story that way fairly quickly.
 
Not to mention you clearly approached the story looking for confirmation bias based on how you wrote your experience with it and I doubt you really gave it a chance.
 
Saying you judge a book by its cover seems pretty apt to me.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
Mate, either I explained myself poorly (entirely possible) or you didn’t understand me.  
My point is that i like the meme itself, beyond this pic, and that i like this pic not because it supports some biased view of mine but because it caused a thoroughly entertaining shitstorm in the comments.
 
From what i see, you may be entirely correct in your reasoning, again, I haven’t read it to completion nor do I intend to, and it would be silly of me to judge a character when i haven’t even read the piece she’s in, wouldn’t it?
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@Background Pony #08AA
It doesn’t matter if he believes it, it’s a meme because this kind of pictures are used half-ironically all the time in places like 4chan.
I could give less a shit about what the creator of the picture actually thinks, Fo:E is shitty genre fiction and insanely bloated in length and what people like or dislike about it is of no concern to me as i read some chapters of it, reached the before-mentioned conclusion, and i’m now laughing at how much drama this pic caused.
 
So then it isn’t done ironically if it’s done to try and prove a bad point.
 
You can take it that way (which is wrong) but when it comes down to that reasoning it is already dead and buried.
 
So if you want to hate it that’s fine, but this picture isn’t the justification you’re looking for, unless you’re braindead.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
It doesn’t matter if he believes it, it’s a meme because this kind of pictures are used half-ironically all the time in places like 4chan.  
I could give less a shit about what the creator of the picture actually thinks, Fo:E is shitty genre fiction and insanely bloated in length and what people like or dislike about it is of no concern to me as i read some chapters of it, reached the before-mentioned conclusion, and i’m now laughing at how much drama this pic caused.
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‘Meme’ when the creator actually believes it and was thoroughly and easily proven wrong.
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@habitantunholycity  
I fully support this meme
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SHITPOST MAFIA
I fucking love this comparison pictures meme.  
This one is even better because it triggered a bunch of Fo:Efags.
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Oh, I’ve seen that one.
 
That’s a……strange one.
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FO:E Fallout Equestria
 
FoE = Fall of Equestria  
Don’t look this up if you value your soul even a little.
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It’s not a joke when the artist defends it.
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It’s funny how many arguments were made about this pic.
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@Background Pony #08AA  
Dude calm, like shit man it’s just a joke picture.
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@Exedrus  
Of course not, it’s why he has no argument and is resorting to strawman.