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Put Sunset with the rest of the group and photoshop Vinyl (and Spike) in, and it’d be pretty much an exact match.
Another artist, Crenair. also accurately predicted reformed Sunset’s role in the second movie a year before it even happened.
Doesn’t this look like the finishing scene against the Dazzlings in Rainbow Rocks? Except ponified?
It looks like the comic came out in 2013, in the brief interval after Sunset’s toy and before Equestria Girls – and pretty much called Sunset’s motivation.
If Sunset as she is in this comic came back into the show as it is now. It would result in situations that would be hilarious to me and enraging to most everyone else.
“That pony did what? When? And everypony just forgave her? That is total BS.”
In-show canon trumps semi canon book. Celestia states that she never heard of an born alicorn before, rendering that line in the semi canon book worthless. The entire staff of DHX > one staff member of DHX.
….I mean, you can make the argument that your ignoring in show canon for your current headcanon, but that isn’t exactly going to convince anyone but yourself.
And the line even you admit was vague in the book, let’s be adults here.
They were never really clear on how long the portal was open and how long the portal started being open. Heck, for all we know, the crown’s resembled each other to begin with. Dimensional hygincs and all.
If that’s the case, then a few hours is all she would need. In fact it wasn’t originally part of her plan, remember? She could of stolen the crown and be done with it, brought it back and wore it. The only reason she used the school crown as a replacement was flare for the dramatics as a thief. When the crown travelled through the portal first, THEN things got convoluted when the real crown was confused for the school crown. Her flare for the dramatics backfired, but would of still allowed her to get the crown if she won it.
This is Sunset Shimmer. Sunset has no limitation from public knowledge, she’s an apprentice of Celestia who broke into the kingdom’s most private knowledge. Of course she knew about the element of magic, especially when she read about its use in unredacted forbidden history.
That argument is as thin as paper.
Wrongo. Sunset only showed Celestia one page, and after reading THE ENTIRE BOOK she knew the whole process for becoming an alicorn.
Are you going to assume she just read one page?….really? Do you have any idea how weak that argument is?
No one would buy that argument for a second. Its the established event where she learned the process.
Now your just completely missing the point. She traveled through the portal AFTER. She didn’t need to steal them the day they were rediscovered, the elements would still be there.
It explains that the elements could of easily be related to the portal. (especially since the 7th was discovered in the human world, 7 elements unlocking a being with more magic then what’s ever been summoned in Equestria) The power of harmony seems to be intertwined between the two worlds.
Oops, my bad. But you do know that correction only hurts your argument right?
Canterlot Castle includes the princesses and the portal IN Canterlot Castle remember? Yeah, it isn’t an important distinction. If anything, it solidifies the focus and attention of the book on Celestia and Luna and the mirror.
Are you high? It was a HISTORY BOOK SHOWING THE METHOD. Sunset said in the movie it was something Celestia could of told Twilight was a fact cause Celestia knew about.
Of course it happened before. Your getting ridiculous.
‘likely’? I don’t have any interest in ‘likely’s’ unless they have some sort of basis. Clover the Clever was Starswirld’s apprentice, not master, so we don’t know when Starswirled created it. And we KNOW from Chrysalis there was an era where the Unicorns, not Celestia or Luna, built Canterlot Castle. That is an established FACT.
We know there is a transition period where the unicorns gave the monarchy over to Celestia and Luna, we just don’t know much about it. That partially disproven book was incredibly vague throughout.
“I’ve read the tie-in comic, but I’m interested in hearing what you have to say.”
“This ought to be good…”
I don’t like two-faced people LanceOmikron.
Shoot. I had a big huge comment posted, but Derpibooru ate it (no joke, I spent a while on it. >_<)
Anyways, let me whip up an abridged version:
I’ve heard this before, but I never buy it. There was only a few hours between the portal opening and sunset stealing the crown. Nowhere near enough time for spying and formulating a plan (she’d need weeks at least). And how did she know to bring the fall formal crown with her?
Sunset could very well have known about the elements, since info on them was in publicly available books. She couldn’t have known about the element of magic, which was established as being a mystery.
Nope. The tie-in only established that she learned a few spells, and learned that the mirror was a portal that had some connection with alicorns. She was never established as learning that the portal changed how the elements of harmony worked.
This point is completely moot. The portal was closed at the time that the elements were rediscovered. Sunset couldn’t have come back to equestria then.
…What? That explains nothing.
This ought to be good…
No, it’s “Canterlot Castle: a History Vol. 2”. A small but important distinction. It’s not the history of Canterlot as a whole, just the castle.
No, that’s way too big of an assumption to make. Probably wrong too, since it mentions the mirror. The mirror was likely leftover from starswirl’s interdimensional portal experiments, which Celestia (already a princess) took part in.
Nope, wrong. There’s no proof of that. The book only showed that there was a connection between the portal and alicornization, and elements were never mentioned in the tie-in at all. Saying that somepony had done it before is way too big of a leap.
Nope. No. Completely wrong. The Journal of the Two Sisters specifically established that the sisters have always been alicorns. And though the information is vague, there were apparently alicorns that preceded them.
Yeah, sorry, I’m not buying any of this. Sunset’s plan still makes no sense, and this whole premise about the portal and the elements combined being the key to alicornhood holds no water at all. It’s established that Celestia and Luna have always been alicorns, and we’ve both seen Twilight become an alicorn and heard the story of how Cadance became one. Cadance in particular breaks this whole theory, since her ascension involves neither the elements nor the portal.
Sorry, nice try.
Edited
In other words, the second she showed the book she found in the tie-in comic to Celestia, it helped answer so many questions the first movie had issues, and raised so many new questions on exactly how Celestia and Luna’s backstory was. Not plotholes, but definitely stuff that demand a backstory.
(apologies for the length)
Ah, I can imagine. Its the sad irony that the most interesting line in the entire movie compared to everything else in that movie was also the most confusing and question raising. 4 pieces of information might be an understatement. Even thought the tie-in reveals everything about her knowledge, its incredibly easy to miss. I can at least guess on the numerous things you are referring to knowledge wise that made it seem practically impossible initially, from simplest to hardest.
Seems like ‘any thought at all applied to that line makes the story fall like a house of cards’ since its information she could not possibly know IF it was information she could not possibly know….
Quite the contrary, the tie-in comic explains how she couldn’t have NOT known all that with what she dug up.
4)When Celestia wanted to show her the inactive mirror, the mirror resonated with her and her alone and it showed herself as an angelic alicorn. She was determined that that was her destiny, and that Celestia was holding her back
5)Celestia wouldn’t. Sunset was simply trying to make Twilight doubt herself. Sunset dug up the information on her own after Celestia denied further access and information about the mirror.
After Sunset is fedup with Celestia holding her back, Sunset decides to bet it all on Celestia’s most forbidden archive. She breaks in and finds tons of books on black magic and dimensional travel. She even learns the mind control spell perusing the books which she remembers for later use. But Celestia and several guards come in, Sunset show her the book she found.
This book immediately turns Sunset both shocked and indignant, and the mere sight of the book makes Celestia more livid then imaginable…..its a history textbook, Canterlot History Vol. 2. In other words, the time after Princess Platinum and her kingdom built Canterlot, but before Celestia and Luna were established princesses.
Besides Celestia and Luna who obviously live throughout that period. Chrysalis in S2E26 confirmed that she knew about that period as well.
Way more important then the title of the book, Sunset’s shows her the opened book demonstrating how at LEAST one unknown being used the Human World portal and the elements to become an alicorn as powerful as Celestia, as Sunset claims to want to be as powerful as.
Considering the from and to nature of a human world to Equestria world portal, you can imagine how controversial and dangerous that information can be. Its doesn’t take rocket science to realize the natural conclusion. Now that we know from S6 that Celestia and Luna weren’t born alicorns. After a thousand years of living in Equestria and eventually having alternates with no similar magical potential, we have no idea who Celestia and Luna really are.
All we know is that Celestia and Luna succeeded in becoming Alicorns and Sunset initially failed and became a demon.
Ah… I had feared it would be that line. That line is what I consider to be the worst line in the entire movie. When any thought at all is applied to that line, the entire story crumbles like a house of cards. Sunset implies that she knows something that she could not possibly know. And when you think further, one will find that she knows at least three other things that she can’t possibly know. Her not knowing any single one of these (at least) four things would have rendered her plan impossible. Sunset’s whole plan is a giant plot hole. I’ve never heard any sort of satisfactory explanations for it.
I’ve read the tie-in comic, but I’m interested in hearing what you have to say. It sounds like I might have missed something.
This line
This line was not even remotely explained in the movies or episodes after she said it; its from EG1 yet its a complete unknown even now. The only thing we know about the line in-show is the line itself was supposed to be obvious foreshadowing to when Sunset used the crown she brought back from Equestria and became a demon instead of a power she wanted.
The tie-in comic has huge hints of elaboration. Beyond a few accidental background ponies that should of been close to Twilight’s age at the time, it fits perfectly with what we know, and gives freaky insights as well. If you want to know how, I can keep it brief.
Which line in particular?
With the exception of the whole ‘nearly destroyed equestia’ thing, I definitely agree. :D Different outcome, but the situation reminds me of Joseph King of Dreams movie where years later, Joseph meets his half brother Benjamin, the new favorite.
Ironically, risking equestria (beforehand) seems to be a difficult method for burning bridges with Celestia, who has been avoiding talking to the closest thing she has to a daughter since the end of the first movie.
The only clue we have is that one yet unexplained line sunset gave twilight in EG1, and semicanon tie in comic that explains that line with ramifications no brony would say outloud.
Edited
So… yeah. Turns out this is very close to what actually happened. Sunny-sun got better though.
Well, she didn’t nearly “destroy” Equestria so much as switch the marks of her friends.
Probably a mage who either was power hungry or a mage who just didn’t make the cut. Whether Celestia disowned her or she left on her own, returns to Canterlot after years intense solo training, to settle old scores.