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Shoot. I had a big huge comment posted, but Derpibooru ate it (no joke, I spent a while on it. >_<)


 
Anyways, let me whip up an abridged version:

[bq]

 

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1)She was spying on Twilight when she returned to Equestria. With a new princess being heralded it didn’t take her long to figure out that Twilight’s crown was an element of harmony.[/bq]

 
I've heard this before, but I never buy it. There was only a few hours between the portal opening and sunset stealing the crown. Nowhere near enough time for spying and formulating a plan (she'd need weeks _*at least_*). And how did she know to bring the fall formal crown with her?

[bq]

 

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2) How did she know anything about the elements of harmony? At the beginning of Season 1 and during Sunset’s time as a student, they were still stones everyone thought the elements of Harmony and Nightmare Moon was a myth. Twilight was supposedly the only one convinced it wasn’t a fairytail based on recent signs, right?[/bq]

 
Sunset could very well have known about the elements, since info on them was in publicly available books. She couldn't have known about the element of magic, which was established as being a mystery.

[bq]

 

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5)Celestia wouldn’t. Sunset was simply trying to make Twilight doubt herself. **Sunset dug up the information on her own after Celestia denied further access and information about the mirror**.[/bq]

 
Nope. The tie-in only established that she learned a few spells, and learned that the mirror was a portal that had some connection with alicorns. She was never established as learning that the portal changed how the elements of harmony worked.

[bq]

 

>
6) It wouldn’t have been more practical actually. Equestria was Celestia’s realm, and Celestia could of stopped her from achieving alicornhood by Sunset’s discovered method. The method required use of the human world, and the most practical way of getting away with it was to lay low and well establish herself. Plus we have no idea if staying in the human world is essential to the method[/bq]

 
This point is completely moot. The portal was closed at the time that the elements were rediscovered. Sunset couldn't have come back to equestria then.

[bq]

 

>
7) This seemingly difficult piece of information is actually the easiest. Knowledge about the portal carried knowledge that Luna and Nightmare Moon were real(which I will explain shortly), so all Sunset had to do was bide her time until after the elements reactivated to stop Nightmare Moon 1000 years after she was sealed away….also, if by chance Nightmare Moon succeeded, she’d be safe in the human world.


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8) We only know about the elements ONLY from when Celestia and Luna who were already princess alicorns retrieved the physical objects from the Tree of Harmony. We have no idea who planted the tree, who engraved Celestia’s and Luna’s marks on them giving them access even though they don’t represent individual elements. We have no idea about the Rainbow of Light’s power before them, but Discord most certainly did in S4E25. What the show hasn’t confirmed is that era was never recorded somewhere. Sunset was Celestia’s ambitious personal apprentice.[/bq]

 
...What? That explains nothing.

[bq]

 

>
9) …The answer is no. It did happen before. Here’s what’s fully shown but extremely easy to miss in the tie-in comic[/bq]



 
This ought to be good...


[bq]

 
 

>
This book immediately turns Sunset both shocked and indignant, and the mere sight of the book makes Celestia more livid then imaginable…..its a history textbook, Canterlot History Vol. 2.[/bq]

 
No, it's "Canterlot Castle: a History Vol. 2". A small but important distinction. It's not the history of Canterlot as a whole, just the castle.

[bq]

 

>
In other words, the time after Princess Platinum and her kingdom built Canterlot, but before Celestia and Luna were established princesses.[/bq]

 
No, that's way too big of an assumption to make. Probably wrong too, since it mentions the mirror. The mirror was likely leftover from starswirl's interdimensional portal experiments, which Celestia (already a princess) took part in.

[bq]

 

>
Way more important then the title of the book, Sunset’s shows her **the opened book demonstrating how at LEAST one unknown being used the Human World portal and the elements to become an alicorn as powerful as Celestia**, as Sunset claims to want to be as powerful as.[/bq]

 
Nope, wrong. There's no proof of that. The book only showed that there was a connection between the portal and alicornization, and elements were never mentioned in the tie-in _*at all_*. Saying that somepony had done it before is way too big of a leap.

[bq]

 

>
Considering the from and to nature of a human world to Equestria world portal, you can imagine how controversial and dangerous that information can be. Its doesn’t take rocket science to realize the natural conclusion. Now that we know from S6 that **Celestia and Luna weren’t born alicorns**.[/bq]

 
Nope. No. Completely wrong. The Journal of the Two Sisters specifically established that the sisters have always been alicorns. And though the information is vague, there were apparently alicorns that preceded them.


 
Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying any of this. Sunset's plan still makes no sense, and this whole premise about the portal and the elements combined being the key to alicornhood holds no water at all. It's established that Celestia and Luna have always been alicorns, and we've both seen Twilight become an alicorn and heard the story of how Cadance became one. Cadance in particular breaks this whole theory, since her ascension involves neither the elements nor the portal.


 
Sorry, nice try.
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"@CronoM":/1233267#comment_5362003
Shoot. I had a big huge comment posted, but Derpibooru ate it (no joke, I spent a while on it. >_<)

Anyways, let me whip up an abridged version:

[bq]1)She was spying on Twilight when she returned to Equestria. With a new princess being heralded it didn’t take her long to figure out that Twilight’s crown was an element of harmony.[/bq]
I've heard this before, but I never buy it. There was only a few hours between the portal opening and sunset stealing the crown. Nowhere near enough time for spying and formulating a plan (she'd need weeks _at least_). And how did she know to bring the fall formal crown with her?

[bq]2) How did she know anything about the elements of harmony? At the beginning of Season 1 and during Sunset’s time as a student, they were still stones everyone thought the elements of Harmony and Nightmare Moon was a myth. Twilight was supposedly the only one convinced it wasn’t a fairytail based on recent signs, right?[/bq]
Sunset could very well have known about the elements, since info on them was in publicly available books. She couldn't have known about the element of magic, which was established as being a mystery.

[bq]5)Celestia wouldn’t. Sunset was simply trying to make Twilight doubt herself. *Sunset dug up the information on her own after Celestia denied further access and information about the mirror*.[/bq]
Nope. The tie-in only established that she learned a few spells, and learned that the mirror was a portal that had some connection with alicorns. She was never established as learning that the portal changed how the elements of harmony worked.

[bq]6) It wouldn’t have been more practical actually. Equestria was Celestia’s realm, and Celestia could of stopped her from achieving alicornhood by Sunset’s discovered method. The method required use of the human world, and the most practical way of getting away with it was to lay low and well establish herself. Plus we have no idea if staying in the human world is essential to the method[/bq]
This point is completely moot. The portal was closed at the time that the elements were rediscovered. Sunset couldn't have come back to equestria then.

[bq]7) This seemingly difficult piece of information is actually the easiest. Knowledge about the portal carried knowledge that Luna and Nightmare Moon were real(which I will explain shortly), so all Sunset had to do was bide her time until after the elements reactivated to stop Nightmare Moon 1000 years after she was sealed away….also, if by chance Nightmare Moon succeeded, she’d be safe in the human world.

8) We only know about the elements ONLY from when Celestia and Luna who were already princess alicorns retrieved the physical objects from the Tree of Harmony. We have no idea who planted the tree, who engraved Celestia’s and Luna’s marks on them giving them access even though they don’t represent individual elements. We have no idea about the Rainbow of Light’s power before them, but Discord most certainly did in S4E25. What the show hasn’t confirmed is that era was never recorded somewhere. Sunset was Celestia’s ambitious personal apprentice.[/bq]
...What? That explains nothing.

[bq]9) …The answer is no. It did happen before. Here’s what’s fully shown but extremely easy to miss in the tie-in comic[/bq]

This ought to be good...


[bq]This book immediately turns Sunset both shocked and indignant, and the mere sight of the book makes Celestia more livid then imaginable…..its a history textbook, Canterlot History Vol. 2.[/bq]
No it's "Canterlot Castle: a History Vol. 2". A small but important distinction. It's not the history of Canterlot as a whole, just the castle.

[bq]In other words, the time after Princess Platinum and her kingdom built Canterlot, but before Celestia and Luna were established princesses.[/bq]
No, that's way too big of an assumption to make. Probably wrong too, since it mentions the mirror. The mirror was likely leftover from starswirl's interdimensional portal experiments, which Celestia (already a princess) took part in.

[bq]Way more important then the title of the book, Sunset’s shows her *the opened book demonstrating how at LEAST one unknown being used the Human World portal and the elements to become an alicorn as powerful as Celestia*, as Sunset claims to want to be as powerful as.[/bq]
Nope, wrong. There's no proof of that. The book only showed that there was a connection between the portal and alicornization, and elements were never mentioned in the tie-in _at all_. Saying that somepony had done it before is way too big of a leap.

[bq]Considering the from and to nature of a human world to Equestria world portal, you can imagine how controversial and dangerous that information can be. Its doesn’t take rocket science to realize the natural conclusion. Now that we know from S6 that *Celestia and Luna weren’t born alicorns*.[/bq]
Nope. No. Completely wrong. The Journal of the Two Sisters specifically established that the sisters have always been alicorns. And though the information is vague, there were apparently alicorns that preceded them.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying any of this. Sunset's plan still makes no sense, and this whole premise about the portal and the elements combined being the key to alicornhood holds no water at all. It's established that Celestia and Luna have always been alicorns, and we've both seen Twilight become an alicorn and heard the story of how Cadance became one. Cadance in particular breaks this whole theory, since her ascension involves neither the elements nor the portal.

Sorry, nice try.
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Edited by LanceOmikron
LanceOmikron
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Artist -
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Because COLORING!!
"@CronoM":/1233267#comment_5362003
Shoot. I had a big huge comment posted, but Derpibooru ate it (no joke, I spent a while on it. >_<)

Anyways, let me whip up an abridged version:

[bq]1)She was spying on Twilight when she returned to Equestria. With a new princess being heralded it didn’t take her long to figure out that Twilight’s crown was an element of harmony.[/bq]
I've heard this before, but I never buy it. There was only a few hours between the portal opening and sunset stealing the crown. Nowhere near enough time for spying and formulating a plan (she'd need weeks _at least_. And how did she know to bring the fall formal crown with her?

[bq]2) How did she know anything about the elements of harmony? At the beginning of Season 1 and during Sunset’s time as a student, they were still stones everyone thought the elements of Harmony and Nightmare Moon was a myth. Twilight was supposedly the only one convinced it wasn’t a fairytail based on recent signs, right?[/bq]
Sunset could very well have known about the elements, since info on them was in publicly available books. She couldn't have known about the element of magic, which was established as being a mystery.

[bq]5)Celestia wouldn’t. Sunset was simply trying to make Twilight doubt herself. *Sunset dug up the information on her own after Celestia denied further access and information about the mirror*.[/bq]
Nope. The tie-in only established that she learned a few spells, and learned that the mirror was a portal that had some connection with alicorns. She was never established as learning that the portal changed how the elements of harmony worked.

[bq]6) It wouldn’t have been more practical actually. Equestria was Celestia’s realm, and Celestia could of stopped her from achieving alicornhood by Sunset’s discovered method. The method required use of the human world, and the most practical way of getting away with it was to lay low and well establish herself. Plus we have no idea if staying in the human world is essential to the method[/bq]
This point is completely moot. The portal was closed at the time that the elements were rediscovered. Sunset couldn't have come back to equestria then.

[bq]7) This seemingly difficult piece of information is actually the easiest. Knowledge about the portal carried knowledge that Luna and Nightmare Moon were real(which I will explain shortly), so all Sunset had to do was bide her time until after the elements reactivated to stop Nightmare Moon 1000 years after she was sealed away….also, if by chance Nightmare Moon succeeded, she’d be safe in the human world.

8) We only know about the elements ONLY from when Celestia and Luna who were already princess alicorns retrieved the physical objects from the Tree of Harmony. We have no idea who planted the tree, who engraved Celestia’s and Luna’s marks on them giving them access even though they don’t represent individual elements. We have no idea about the Rainbow of Light’s power before them, but Discord most certainly did in S4E25. What the show hasn’t confirmed is that era was never recorded somewhere. Sunset was Celestia’s ambitious personal apprentice.[/bq]
...What? That explains nothing.

[bq]9) …The answer is no. It did happen before. Here’s what’s fully shown but extremely easy to miss in the tie-in comic[/bq]

This ought to be good...


[bq]This book immediately turns Sunset both shocked and indignant, and the mere sight of the book makes Celestia more livid then imaginable…..its a history textbook, Canterlot History Vol. 2.[/bq]
No it's "Canterlot Castle: a History Vol. 2". A small but important distinction. It's not the history of Canterlot as a whole, just the castle.

[bq]In other words, the time after Princess Platinum and her kingdom built Canterlot, but before Celestia and Luna were established princesses.[/bq]
No, that's way too big of an assumption to make. Probably wrong too, since it mentions the mirror. The mirror was likely leftover from starswirl's interdimensional portal experiments, which Celestia (already a princess) took part in.

[bq]Way more important then the title of the book, Sunset’s shows her *the opened book demonstrating how at LEAST one unknown being used the Human World portal and the elements to become an alicorn as powerful as Celestia*, as Sunset claims to want to be as powerful as.[/bq]
Nope, wrong. There's no proof of that. The book only showed that there was a connection between the portal and alicornization, and elements were never mentioned in the tie-in _at all_. Saying that somepony had done it before is way too big of a leap.

[bq]Considering the from and to nature of a human world to Equestria world portal, you can imagine how controversial and dangerous that information can be. Its doesn’t take rocket science to realize the natural conclusion. Now that we know from S6 that *Celestia and Luna weren’t born alicorns*.[/bq]
Nope. No. Completely wrong. The Journal of the Two Sisters specifically established that the sisters have always been alicorns. And though the information is vague, there were apparently alicorns that preceded them.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying any of this. Sunset's plan still makes no sense, and this whole premise about the portal and the elements combined being the key to alicornhood holds no water at all. It's established that Celestia and Luna have always been alicorns, and we've both seen Twilight become an alicorn and heard the story of how Cadance became one. Cadance in particular breaks this whole theory, since her ascension involves neither the elements nor the portal.

Sorry, nice try.
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Edited by LanceOmikron
LanceOmikron
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Artist -
Magical Inkwell - Wrote MLP fanfiction consisting of at least around 1.5k words, and has a verified link to the platform of their choice
Not a Llama - Happy April Fools Day!

Because COLORING!!
"@CronoM":/1233267#comment_5362003
Shoot. I had a big huge comment posted, but Derpibooru ate it (no joke, I spent a while on it. >_<)

Anyways, let me whip up an abridged version:

[bq]1)She was spying on Twilight when she returned to Equestria. With a new princess being heralded it didn’t take her long to figure out that Twilight’s crown was an element of harmony.[/bq]
I've heard this before, but I never buy it. There was only a few hours between the portal opening and sunset stealing the crown. Nowhere near enough time for spying and formulating a plan. And how did she know to bring the fall formal crown with her?

[bq]2) How did she know anything about the elements of harmony? At the beginning of Season 1 and during Sunset’s time as a student, they were still stones everyone thought the elements of Harmony and Nightmare Moon was a myth. Twilight was supposedly the only one convinced it wasn’t a fairytail based on recent signs, right?[/bq]
Sunset could very well have known about the elements, since info on them was in publicly available books. She couldn't have known about the element of magic, which was established as being a mystery.

[bq]5)Celestia wouldn’t. Sunset was simply trying to make Twilight doubt herself. *Sunset dug up the information on her own after Celestia denied further access and information about the mirror*.[/bq]
Nope. The tie-in only established that she learned a few spells, and learned that the mirror was a portal that had some connection with alicorns. She was never established as learning that the portal changed how the elements of harmony worked.

[bq]6) It wouldn’t have been more practical actually. Equestria was Celestia’s realm, and Celestia could of stopped her from achieving alicornhood by Sunset’s discovered method. The method required use of the human world, and the most practical way of getting away with it was to lay low and well establish herself. Plus we have no idea if staying in the human world is essential to the method[/bq]
This point is completely moot. The portal was closed at the time that the elements were rediscovered. Sunset couldn't have come back to equestria then.

[bq]7) This seemingly difficult piece of information is actually the easiest. Knowledge about the portal carried knowledge that Luna and Nightmare Moon were real(which I will explain shortly), so all Sunset had to do was bide her time until after the elements reactivated to stop Nightmare Moon 1000 years after she was sealed away….also, if by chance Nightmare Moon succeeded, she’d be safe in the human world.

8) We only know about the elements ONLY from when Celestia and Luna who were already princess alicorns retrieved the physical objects from the Tree of Harmony. We have no idea who planted the tree, who engraved Celestia’s and Luna’s marks on them giving them access even though they don’t represent individual elements. We have no idea about the Rainbow of Light’s power before them, but Discord most certainly did in S4E25. What the show hasn’t confirmed is that era was never recorded somewhere. Sunset was Celestia’s ambitious personal apprentice.[/bq]
...What? That explains nothing.

[bq]9) …The answer is no. It did happen before. Here’s what’s fully shown but extremely easy to miss in the tie-in comic[/bq]

This ought to be good...


[bq]This book immediately turns Sunset both shocked and indignant, and the mere sight of the book makes Celestia more livid then imaginable…..its a history textbook, Canterlot History Vol. 2.[/bq]
No it's "Canterlot Castle: a History Vol. 2". A small but important distinction. It's not the history of Canterlot as a whole, just the castle.

[bq]In other words, the time after Princess Platinum and her kingdom built Canterlot, but before Celestia and Luna were established princesses.[/bq]
No, that's way too big of an assumption to make. Probably wrong too, since it mentions the mirror. The mirror was likely leftover from starswirl's interdimensional portal experiments, which Celestia (already a princess) took part in.

[bq]Way more important then the title of the book, Sunset’s shows her *the opened book demonstrating how at LEAST one unknown being used the Human World portal and the elements to become an alicorn as powerful as Celestia*, as Sunset claims to want to be as powerful as.[/bq]
Nope, wrong. There's no proof of that. The book only showed that there was a connection between the portal and alicornization, and elements were never mentioned in the tie-in _at all_. Saying that somepony had done it before is way too big of a leap.

[bq]Considering the from and to nature of a human world to Equestria world portal, you can imagine how controversial and dangerous that information can be. Its doesn’t take rocket science to realize the natural conclusion. Now that we know from S6 that *Celestia and Luna weren’t born alicorns*.[/bq]
Nope. No. Completely wrong. The Journal of the Two Sisters specifically established that the sisters have always been alicorns. And though the information is vague, there were apparently alicorns that preceded them.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not buying any of this. Sunset's plan still makes no sense, and this whole premise about the portal and the elements combined being the key to alicornhood holds no water at all. It's established that Celestia and Luna have always been alicorns, and we've both seen Twilight become an alicorn and heard the story of how Cadance became one. Cadance in particular breaks this whole theory, since her ascension involves neither the elements nor the portal.

Sorry, nice try.
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Edited by LanceOmikron