A Celestia Episode

Candacefan29

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A thread to do two things~

Speculate what a hypothetical Celestia episode could be about
and 2) Speculate why the writers refuse to give us one after six seasons…

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Anonycat

Okay, I guess.

You always could ask the staff why after six years they still don’t want or can’t make a Celestia episode.

If anything, their reply could either give us hope or crush it for once and all so we could stop waiting and move on.

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Candacefan29

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@Anonycat
After the Jim Miller/Spike debacle, I don’t think Twitter is a wise choice.

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meddler

Ideas:

Missing her time as a teacher, Celestia starts teaching kindergarten while coming to terms with the fact that Twilight has grown up.
A “mini-arc” similar to Luna’s dream arc - Celestia shows up as a major side character in someone else’s episode where she helps someone with their problems in a way that highlight’s her character.

On a side note, I think the Equestria Girls series needs to end with Sunset Shimmer and Celestia reuniting and reconciling.

EDIT: Another side note, in relation to the upcoming movie. I think it’d be neat if Celestia and the other Princesses led a resistance against the evil ponies while the Mane Cast are off questing.

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Anonycat

Okay, I guess.

@MrXemnas1992
The Jim/Spike debacle was Jim being pissed off after some dumb fans kept pestering him about Spike shipping and other stuff we already know since 2014 that are not going to happen, like his crush going anywhere.

Asking him (or other member of the staff) if Celestia is going to get screentime or not is a different matter.

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Jarkes

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@MrXemnas1992

From what I recall, Jim or one of the other crew members said that they’ve been trying to pitch a Celestia episode since season 1, but Hasbro keeps rejecting them.

They also said that they want to make sure that a Celestia episode isn’t just done for the sake of checking a box on the list of characters with episodes; they want it to be meaningful.

Sadly, I can’t help but fear that at this point, no matter what they did with a Celestia episode, certain overzealous fans simply wouldn’t be pleased with it no matter what.

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meddler

@Jarkes

That makes me curious. Why does Hasbro not want a Celestia episode?

Do they think bronies only want Luna stories?

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Poison Trail

@Jarkes

Pretty much, they want it to be meaningful… but at the same time, as the seasons go on, so do the expectations for an episode. The stakes keep getting higher, and now it might be too late. Just think of how the discussion goes:

“So, Celestia episode?”
“You mean, that character we’ve mistreated and used as either fodder to prove how dangerous a threat is or as a joke, getting an episode that will correct all of that, as anything less would pretty much be the final nail in her coffin?”
“Yeah, nevermind”

@meddler

They KNOW we want one, but unlike Luna, they can’t just slap Celestia’s name on an episode and immediately have fans praise it as the best episode ever before it’s even aired. If anything, the very opposite will happen, any aspect of the synopsis will be nitpicked on, countless doubts will be made and in the end, the hype will be so high that it’ll all collapse no matter what.

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Anonycat

Okay, I guess.

@Poison Trail
if you have been following the comic discussion you will have noticed that the standards expected for a Celestia episode (or a comic) and Luna’s standards are evenly matched.
Gone is the time when a Luna sighting was enough to make people cheer and rate everything as 10/10.

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Grieffon

I would place “relationship with other character” as one of the top priority to establish in any character. Therefore, if there’s a Celestia episode, it should be about her relationship with Twilight. Just have them go on a diplomatic mission with some trouble along the way and a challenge at the end. Show that she can still teaches Twilight a thing or two even when they are no longer teacher and student.

As for why there is still no Celestia episode, I would guess that it’s because Luna is a safer bet. Luna’s character is already established and she has a cool power that enables interesting settings. For Celestia, they have to start creating something interesting about her.

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DoomPony

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@Jarkes

They also said that they want to make sure that a Celestia episode isn’t just done for the sake of checking a box on the list of characters with episodes; they want it to be meaningful.

Seems completely reasonable.

Given the nature of Celestia, it must be really hard to write a story that makes sense for her character and is actually entertaining for the target audience (or even the rest of the audience), politics aren’t exactly fun. I’m really racking my brain and all I’ve got are: Celestia telling stories from her past (like her and Luna’s childhood); Celestia has begun feeling old (due to Flurry Heart’s birth and Twilight’s new student), so she tries to be/act young again (with the implication that this isn’t the first time); and panic and confusion sweep Equestria as, for some mysterious reason, there are now two Celestias.

Question for the thread: Would you consider an episode centering on one of the Mane Cast (beside Twilight) that had Celestia in a major supporting role to be a “Celestia episode”? I mean that like Luna’s role in the CMC’s dreams trilogy.

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Red-Supernova

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@MrXemnas1992
My speculation for the longest time was that Nicole Oliver has ridiculously high fucking standards for how much she wants to get paid in the voice recording studio which is why DHX is scared to give Celestia more screentime because Nicole will eat up a lot of their money. This is most likely untrue but I can’t help but think about it with every new episode without a Celestia appearance.

@Anonycat
@MrXemnas1992
Since when has asking the staff ever worked? They clearly never listen to us when it involves Celestia.

@Jarkes
I want to punch every Hasbro executive who has denied the staff possible Celestia episodes in the balls now.

@DoomPony
YES. I would ask for ANYTHING to give Celestia the screentime she rightfully deserves!

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RaineV1

To quote what I said in the episode discussion thread:
>If we get a Celestia episode, I want it show what she’s probably best at as a ruler, smoothing over conflicts and setting things into motion with a calculated risk or two (like sending her student to deal with Nightmare Moon). It’d actually be pretty awesome if she flat out says she likes to deal with things behind the scenes to prevent ponies from becoming too reliant on her, similar to God in Futurama. “Being god isn’t easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. If you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch. When you do things right people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”

To me, this is probably the best way to show Celestia. It fits with everything we’ve seen so far, and puts her in a fairly good light. It also balances out Luna, who seems to prefer to more directly get involved in the lives of citizens.

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No Luna. If Luna appears, it stops to be a episode for Celestia.
Slice of Life
a) Celstia/Twilight episode
b) Celestia/Guards episode
No Discord. He’s a spotlight thief and already undermined the Twilight/Cadance episode.

Some fans will yawn at my ideas. But guess what? I yawned at your favorite episodes like “A Hearth’s Warming Tail”, “Pinkie Pride” or basically every episode of the Cutie Mark Crusaders. How about it’s time for you to yawn for a change? If you say no, then you are selfish.

2)

A) They play favorites and Celestia is definitely not one of them.

Rarity is best pony of Josh Haber. What happens? We get flooded with Rarity in season 6. Starlight Glimmer was the idea of the staff, not Hasbro’s. We get flooded with SG.
Jim Miller talks about superman syndrome when it’s about Celestia. It’s weird, because characters like Discord, Luna and Cadance haven’t any problems with this syndrome. It reeks of personal bias by the staff. M.A.Larson’s OC is a bat pony. Do you really expect him to do something great for Celestia as he did for Luna? Well, have fun waiting for it.

B) They do what the fans like to see.

Characters like Luna and Derpy benefit from it. They think that short, half hearted and uninspired moments for Celestia would please Celestia fans. Well, no they don’t. They could just as well write her out and make Luna sole ruler of Equestria.

Yeah, i’m falling to ranting again. I stop now.

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Red-Supernova

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If fan projects have told me anything, if Celestia and Luna are involved, the focus will go immediately towards Luna.
Cadance is still the main reason why I liked Three’s A Crowd.
I liked A Hearth’s Warmings Tail and Pinkie Pride but I understand where you’re coming from.

I made a similar topic a couple months ago about the writers being extremely biased towards certain characters. I still believe that Discord gets away scot-free with shit because he’s voiced by a celebrity from a franchise I have no interest in.

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8253803

Celestia Fan

The fans get whatever they want (except for main character related straight shipping becoming canon) if they make their ideas dominant in the fandom. A Slice of Life is a good example (but not the only one). The desire for a Celestia episode has been an uprising trend, but it is yet to be noticeable enough for the producers to feel the need to put the idea of Celestia starring an episode into practice. Luna’s episodes arrived because she was so beloved by the fandom that, as mentioned by people above, any episode with Luna would easily earn the place of “best episode ever” or “10/10” even before it was aired.

Celestia is getting more love as time passes on, which is good to see. However, I would say that the love for her is not “crazy” enough, compared to that for Luna. I am keeping an optimistic attitude about whether or not we are getting a Celestia episode, but I see it coming only after further development of her fandom.

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Poison Trail

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Comics however feature an entirely different Luna than the one we see in the series, especially the one from Katie Cook (which excels at Slice of Life and making everything silly) and Andy Price (which art style heavily weights towards parody and exaggerated expressions). One has a pet possum and couldn’t remain serious even if her life depended on it while the other never misses any opportunity to claim how misunderstood she is by the other ponies and how she’s crawling in her skin at the thought of the horrible evil she did as Nightmare Moon to the point of masochism.

As for Celestia, the Spike/Celestia comic featured some well-deserved character development for her, bringing up the whole “Don’t directly tutor your student but watch them from afar so they grow by themselves” ordeal years before the series did. It was of course ignored, as is the vast majority of comics, for better or worse.

When it comes to “Emo Teenager Princess Luna”, though, the fact remains that any episode she’s in will have boundless praise due to her target audience. That’s just a fact. When it comes to Celestia, though, she’s the one hard to relate with, the 1000+ years old ruler that’s seen a lot, yet is almost always mistreated by writers into being passive and useless, sitting on her pile of life experiences and never using them, or wanting to try something new like she did in S1’s Best Night Ever, one of the rare gems of character development for her. That’s going to take a lot of effort to fix.

TL:DR: The easier someone relates to a character and the more character development they have towards said relation, the more they tend to be loved. Luna has both, Celestia has neither. Being able to relate to someone is everything.

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8253803

Celestia Fan

Seeing that this thread is currently focusing on the possibility of Celestia getting her own episode and the reason why she hasn’t yet, I want to add another topic to this discussion: ideas about such an episode.

A Slice of Life of the Royal Sisters
Though some would doubt that the existence of Luna would lead to her being the main character, I still welcome the idea that the royal sisters share an episode, because this is one of the ways to develop Celestia’s character. Most of the times we see Celestia and Luna appear together, they are either both talking to a third pony/a crowd, or having a serious problem to solve. A full episode of royal sisters’ holiday would be a good complement to our current understanding of their relationship. Up to now, the best depictions of Celestia and Luna’s relationship come from fan arts and fictions. My personal favorite would be to describe Celestia as the more playful one and Luna the more serious. Celestia brings all the fun and jokes and Luna gradually learns to enjoy them.

Celestia Being a Teacher of Twilight on How to Be a Teacher
Twilight has long been a graduate, but just as a student of friendship and magic. What she lacks is the skill to be a teacher. We can see that she has some talent in teaching Starlight Glimmer from A Hearth’s Warming Tail, because she managed to change Starlight Glimmer’s idea about the Hearts Warming Eve just by reading her an educative story. However, in No Second Prances she showed that she could be too pushy or protective. Celestia has been a teacher for hundreds or thousands of years, so it would be natural if Starlight Glimmer feels it necessary to turn to Celestia for help after having some disagreements with Twilight on her friendship lessons. Celestia can help Twilight discover her mistakes made during the education. This could end up being a Twilight episode, but Celestia will be there most of the time.

Celestia’s Reflection
This would be a story taking place in the far past, focusing on the growth of Celestia through her adventures. Deep inside the memories of hers lie the most painful yet educational experiences that help her become what she is today. The story could involve Luna/historical characters or not, but the appearance of every other character should serve as the bringer of Celestia’s growth.

Celestia and Star Swirl
This is a personal idea. Star Swirl could be Celestia’s friend, teacher, student, or just a legendary character even earlier than Celestia’s birth. I want him to be both Celestia’s friend and teacher, giving her knowledge and impressing her as a loving teacher who treats her like his own daughter. As Celestia graduated and Star Swirl became older, they cooperate in leading the country (would probably also include cooperating with Luna) and doing academical research, enforcing their friendship day by day. This is just my headcanon, but I sincerely want a depiction of Celestia and Star Swirl’s relationship in the show to either end or confirm my imagination.

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Amethyst_Crystal

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Some wonderful ideas!

An episode focusing on Celestia and Cadance would be good too.

Cadance was the first pony who Celestia ascended to an alicorn, after all,
and is said to be her niece too.

We’ve never really seen these two interact though, even less than Celestia and Luna.

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Background Pony #1541

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I made a similar topic a couple months ago about the writers being extremely biased towards certain characters. I still believe that Discord gets away scot-free with shit because he’s voiced by a celebrity from a franchise I have no interest in.

Oh, don’t let me start with Discord. They ruined this reference puking idiot, who better should have been trapped as a statue. I hope he stays away from the next Fluttershy episodes.

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>who better should have been trapped
You better should have learned your grammar…

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Candacefan29

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Stay on topic.

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Amber

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1)

No Luna. If Luna appears, it stops to be a episode for Celestia.

I agree 50/50 with this. Slice of Life proves that a Celestia and Luna interaction without Luna hogging the spotlight is possible. But yeah, whoever ends up witing an episode about it needs to prevent themselves going overboard with Luna.

@Background Pony #BE8A

Slice of Life
a) Celstia/Twilight episode
b) Celestia/Guards episode

No Discord. He’s a spotlight thief and already undermined the Twilight/Cadance episode.

I have to agree with this.

@Background Pony #BE8A

M.A.Larson’s OC is a bat pony. Do you really expect him to do something great for Celestia as he did for Luna? Well, have fun waiting for it.

But he can and in fact, he actually tried. He wrote a decent amount of dialogue for Celestia in Amending Fences having a heart to heart conversation with Twilight about trying to repair a relationship that unfortunately had to be cut for time constraints. And by the way, it was the fandom the made his OC, he just simply adopted it because, why not?

@YKQian

Celestia and Star Swirl
This is a personal idea. Star Swirl could be Celestia’s friend, teacher, student, or just a legendary character even earlier than Celestia’s birth. I want him to be both Celestia’s friend and teacher, giving her knowledge and impressing her as a loving teacher who treats her like his own daughter. As Celestia graduated and Star Swirl became older, they cooperate in leading the country (would probably also include cooperating with Luna) and doing academical research, enforcing their friendship day by day. This is just my headcanon, but I sincerely want a depiction of Celestia and Star Swirl’s relationship in the show to either end or confirm my imagination.

I think the Journal of the Two Sisters is the closest you can get about their relationship and closer with what you’re describing. And personally I would like it depicted in the show to.

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Amber

@Amethyst_Crystal

@YKQian
Some wonderful ideas!

An episode focusing on Celestia and Cadance would be good too.

Cadance was the first pony who Celestia ascended to an alicorn, after all,
and is said to be her niece too.

I think it needs to be pointed out that Celestia does not turn anyone to alicorn. As far as I know she only happens to be present when it happens. Same thing happened with Cadence.

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Jarkes

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@Amber

Yeah, people really need to rewatch the scene from MMC again. Celestia clearly does not do anything at all but watch; the alicornification magic comes from directly within Twilight.

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