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Me too
Goddammit I hate that.
I know. I bloody know it’s an equation and not really a picture, okay?
Calm your Angular gyrus.
Because we know that the zenith lies at 9 m and the muffin at 8 m lies along the trajectory, the following equations hold:
0 = vy + g * t1
9 = 0 + vy * t1 + 1/2 * g * t1 ^ 2
Multiplying the first equation by t1 and subtracting from the second we get 9 = -1/2 * g * t1 ^ 2 and t1 ^ 2 = -18 / g; vy therefore equals -g * sqrt(-18 / g).
Substituting this into the second equation and expressing in terms of the original t1 we get:
8 = 0 + vy * t2 + 1/2 * g * t2 ^ 2
1/2 * t2 ^ 2 - t1 * t2 + 4/9 * t1 ^ 2 = 0
and solving for t2 conveniently yields t2 = 4/3 * t1 (since t2 > t1, therefore the greater of the two solutions is relevant).
For the horizontal component, vx * t1 = 1/2 * L (the required distance) and vx * t2 = 4; dividing the first by the second and multiplying by 8 gives L = 8 * t1 / t2 = 8 / (4/3) = 6.
Therefore Pinkie and Twilight were separated by exactly six metres, regardless of how strong Equestria’s gravity is.
using G=9.81m/s/s to calculate the time an object would take to decelerate to v=0m/s at s=9m and then calculate the time it would take to drop one meter (from 9 to 8).
This would give me the time that the object has taken to travel s=4m (horizontally), I can then calculate it’s horizontal speed V
I then go back again and calculate the time it takes for an object to start at s=0m decelerate to v=0m/s at s=9m and return to s=0m (This would be double the origonal calculation from my first part)
This gives me total flight time.
Using total flight time and the horizontal velocity of the object, I can then easily calculate the total displacement.
Let’s do the full derivation
the expression for an inverse parabole is f(x)= - ax² + bx + c
if we let the start point at x = 0 be a 0 height we get that c = 0
so f(x) = - ax² + bx
we know that at x = 4 the height is 8, so - 16a + 4b - 8 = 0
we’ll call this (1) and come back to that later
we know that the parabola reaches a maximum at a height of 9
to calculate the maximum of f(x) we take the derivative and equate it to 0
df(x)/dx = - 2ax + b = 0 (to make sure it’s a maximum and not a minimum we can take the second derivative d²f(x)/dx² = - 2a, this must be negative to be a maximum, so a must be positive, as expected)
this means the function reaches its maximum at x = b/2a
since this must be where the height is 9 we get f(b/2a) = - b²/4a + b²/2a = 9
or b²/4a = 9 or b = 6 sqrt(a)
this relation between a and b can be inserted in (1)
this gives - 16y² + 24y - 8 = 0 if we take y = sqrt(a) (shorter notation)
this is a quadratic expression with as discriminant D = 24² - 4**(-16)**(
8) = 64. this gives y = (24 - sqrt(64))/(-32) = 1 (and also 1/2, but that doesn’t apply here)therefore a = 1 and b = 6
this makes our function f(x) = - x² + 6x = x(6 - x).
Without needing to calculate a discriminant you can easily see this function will be 0 in x = 0 (which was a given) and x = 6 (our solution)
“There was a muffin held by Twilight’s magic 4 meters in front, 8 meters above Pinkie. So Pinkie jumped for the muffin. The route she went through was a parabola. She reached the highest point, which is 9 meters above the ground, and then she got the muffin. But when landing, she accidently landed on Twilight. So how far was Twilight in front of Pinkie so that the accident happened?”
Eh, I’m rusty.
From A to B, the muffin rises 9m, taking time t_1
From B to C, the muffin falls 1m, taking time t_2
Suppose the vertical velocity at A is v_y_A. We know v_y_A = gt_1
Suppose the vertical velocity at B is v_y_B. We know v_y_B = 0
1/2 g(t_2)^2 = 1m
((v_y_A)^2 - (v_y_B)^2)/(2g) = 9m
Simplify,
(t_2)^2 = 2m / g
(t_1)^2 = 18m / g
Thus t_1/t_2 = 3
The rest is obvious.
The time to the top of the arc is 1.35s. Pinkie’s velocity at the 8m mark is 4.43 m/s. 13.28 m/s is her initial velocity in the y direction. So it takes her 1.8 sec to go 4m at 2.22 m/s. As such, at the midpoint of the arc, she’s gone 3 meters in the x direction, making your final answer x=6.
Nice problem.
@FanOfMostEverything
It’s physics, not just quadratics :P
x=6
Curious, I got a simpler equation of:
y=-1x^2+6x
so x = Twilight = 5m
I didn’t even think about adding gravity to the mix. My old physics teacher would probably slap me on the back of the head.
..
b=41.2 cm?
so.. x = (4-0.412) * 2
-9.8x 2 + bx = 8 where x = 4.
-156.8 + 4b = 8
4b = 164.8
b = 41.2
So, to find x…
-9.8x 2 + 41.2x = 0
x = (-41.2 ± 41.2)/-19.6 = 0 or -82.4/-19.6, which is about 4.204 m. Assuming that the arc goes from Pinkie’s endpoint to Twilight’s midpoint, that means that ponies are about 40.8 cm long, and presumably not drawn to scale.