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What show was idw watching?

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Incursor

@Background Pony #1375
What then do believe caused the timelines to diverge?
I also want to think G5 is an alternate timeline to G4, but it still needs to explain how it happened in a matter that avoids the writing problems with it from canon.
Incursor

@TexasUberAlles
Where does Equestria Girls fit into the canon vs. continuity thing, that might help clarify the difference/help me understand your arguments behind it. Otherwise:
  1. They did try to reconcile the continuities by once their takes were contradicted by the show changing them to match (see Starswirl and Sombra).
  2. Legends of Magic had the Pillars debut in show accurate design long before the show even hinted them, granted that level of effort is the exception.
  3. IDW not being allow to do anything too close to/contradicting the show prove they were making effort to keep the continuities the same, they wouldn’t have cared otherwise.
  4. The inconsistencies with the show were unintentional as opposed to intended like the Transformers continuities which intentionally make different versions of events/character.
If IDW was allowed to keep redeemed Sombra and such, than it would be alternate continuity. But it was never allowed to do that or anything such. Why was that unless they wanted to keep it in line with show continuity?
TexasUberAlles
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@Incursor
The various MLP media definitely aren’t in the same continuities, though, there are a myriad of differences and outright contradictions between them, and no effort made to reconcile any of it; in particular there was never any real attempt to coordinate story beats and plot points between the cartoons and the comics, with IDW being given more or less free rein to tell whatever kind of stories it wanted unless those stories got to close to what the cartoons were planning to do in upcoming episodes.
Incursor

@TexasUberAlles
Interesting point, never considered the difference between canon and continuity. My impression was Hasbro/creators licensing it merely made it official not canon. Wonder how much of this debate is driven by confusion over such terms?
But TF is set in different continuities, each one/characters meant to be separate versions. That isn’t the case for G4/G5 media which are meant to be the same continuity; they’re making too much effort to stay consistent with each other despite blotched execution, nor are they allowed to make big enough deviations from each other to call them alternate continuities with the EU oft retconning itself to stay consistent with the shows continuity.
TF has showed what alternate continuity looks like under Hasbro. The comics/G5 have not done that, and have sold them selfs as part of the same continuity such they undo their own deviation to stay in line with it. Fans wouldn’t be so upset if they able to separate the continuities.
TexasUberAlles
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@Incursor

If it’s an official Hasbro-licensed release, it’s canon, full stop. The word you’re looking for is continuity: a separate and self-contained set of stories which may or may not interact with or have anything to do with any other continuity in the canon.
Hasbro didn’t invent the concept but they have the single best and most obvious example of it with the Transformers franchise; there are dozens of different cartoons and live action movies, and hundreds of comic series and tie-ins/crossovers, and every single one of them is part of Transformers canon. Sometimes Megatron is a misunderstood bad boy who just wanted rights for the working class, sometimes he’s buffoonishly evil for Evil’s sake, sometimes he’s a brave freedom fighter resisting the evil of the tyrannical Autobots, sometimes he’s a steam locomotive; they’re all canon Megatrons, just from different continuities.
@Vree
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Incursor

@TexasUberAlles
The comics are not outright separate, they have been consistently officially stated as canon unless/until contradicted by the show. If the comics were officially full canon/made as episodes, would we really be more willing to accept them as canon despite their flaws (there are plenty of episodes if not whole seasons fans reject). And what about contradictions within the shows themselves (see MYM and TYT)?
That this comic so contradicts the show and even other comics means it should be considered non-canon per creators established policy, and that we shouldn’t be upset over it, at least for the reasons that we are.
Background Pony #4AC7
@TexasUberAlles
You’re not wrong on that one. I think after both MYM and TYT ended, many felt obligated to read the comics because they’re starving for content.
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Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!

And the answer now is still the same answer it was then: if anyone doesn’t like the comics continuity, they can just ignore it, because it is unambiguously not the same continuity as the shows and movie. It doesn’t have to matter, and it’s not required reading if someone prefers the cartoons.
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@Background Pony #1A73
I respect your level headedness. I usually am one who is one the other end side or at least more in the middle when debates like this pop up, so I get being in that boat. I do think you bring a good point. I could raise you one further and state that technically there is enough discontinuity between G5 and G4 that the G5 is arguably an AU unto itself.
Background Pony #1A73
@doloresbridge
I could almost accept that as a reasoning were it consistent. How many of the people acting as if this supersedes the established G5 continuity believed that “Generations” comic to be the finale of FiM’s continuity? Or consider “Season 10” to be canon? Or think the G4 comics in general are canon? Quite a bit of comic material came out after FiM’s animated run ended.
Continuity errors happen even in the animated shows, let alone in their auxiliary material. I think it’s dumb, yeah, but it doesn’t affect me any more than any dumb contradiction in the comics from G1 to now. I wish people would stop having such strong opinions on things they aren’t familiar with. As far as proper canon, magic doesn’t go away until centuries after Rainbow Dash’s lifetime.
doloresbridge
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Peace to all
Thanks for reading all that 😄,
Np, actually, I am used to very long forum posts and conversations elsewhere so it doesn’t phase me!
This was a good convo, have a great rest of your day and/or night
It was a good conversation and I think we are both pretty close to the same page. Same to you as well! /)
@Background Pony #1A73
I think the problem is, canon is in flux. The main shows of G5 are canceled and this is what we have left and still might be a direction things go or are left at. I do agree that people shouldn’t run like the sky is falling but still think this is still (potentially) bad enough a take on the show that I am certainly a bit more in the upset camp than I like to admit and understand why others would be.
Background Pony #1A73
@Background Pony #6429
I remember when people were falling all over themselves to point out that the G4 comics weren’t canon following every contradiction or poor story IDW made.
Why now is everyone acting like this is the truest version of events, in contradiction to every piece of evidence before this point? I guess it doesn’t help that most of the people doing so don’t have a context for G5 material anyway.
Call it what it is, an editorial mistake on the part of IDW or the writer.
CORDZ2000
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(I don’t expect you to read all this and this isn’t a forum so I don’t plan on continuing to much more with this discussion here, but it just was a release to put my thoughts out there. As it’s something I pander on every time, new g5 stuff brings g4 back up)
I did!
Thanks for reading all that 😄, I had originally pinged your name it and accidentally messed up ping in edit.
My take, I didn’t like where it went with Twilight Sparkle, at least with what was implied. It felt hard to justify from an in universe perspective even in my more liberal and flexible view of canon and I was a bit miffed on it seeming like her having a sorter and ultimately tragic reign. At least what we can tell from bits we got. BUT I do think the concept can work and I can at least formulate a defense of this path, even if I disagree with it, there is potential with that idea. Where this is implied to go at the moment…
In yeah it’s really all about the execution for me as well. I understand where twilight and co. Are coming from but it’s questionable and kinda hard to believe that opaline was able to push them this far (which btw her being stated the reason all this started in previous comics) after everything they’ve already been through. Twilight has been known to go to some extremes before like lesson zero and the first movie but idk… It’s again interesting at least and I can see the idea around it
…feels like something that I am at a loss of coming up with some sort defense for. Twilight having a bad fate is one thing, but all her friends? Yeah, similar thoughts there. Weather to buy it or not, my advice is we still don’t know have the full arc and it maybe not quite as bleak as the snippets here suggest (even if it seems it is leading that way). So maybe wait a bit longer before deciding.
Yeah you make a good point of waiting for more comics of this arc to get a full opinion. This was a good convo, have a great rest of your day and/or night
Background Pony #85EE
@Background Pony #6429
Not sure, but the show bible (the one leaked) pretty much states that Twilight and her friends actually sealed the magic after they defeated Opaline the first time, so I guess they were following that.
Background Pony #6429
But Twilight isn’t sealing magic away? Did the comics watch the source material?
doloresbridge
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(I don’t expect you to read all this and this isn’t a forum so I don’t plan on continuing to much more with this discussion here, but it just was a release to put my thoughts out there. As it’s something I pander on every time, new g5 stuff brings g4 back up)
I did!
Yeah honestly my take on this, is that something that is the Downer ending trope for a cast that has been followed for yrs in stories isn’t inherently bad.
I agree. Not all stories have happy endings and Hollywood fanservice has often spoiled good messages or more interesting plots in the name of fan service and marketing (Like just reuniting Grogu and Djarin in Season 3 of the Mandalorian.) It has it’s place.
Like it is interesting but what I will say is that stuff like this may be better to stick to fanfiction given the overall tone of MLP or like have this be implied to be one of starlight’s bad futures or something.
My take, I didn’t like where it went with Twilight Sparkle, at least with what was implied. It felt hard to justify from an in universe perspective even in my more liberal and flexible view of canon and I was a bit miffed on it seeming like her having a sorter and ultimately tragic reign. At least what we can tell from bits we got. BUT I do think the concept can work and I can at least formulate a defense of this path, even if I disagree with it, there is potential with that idea. Where this is implied to go at the moment…
In so I’m of the fence of buying this comic because I do wanna see how all this goes, the full content. Or to ignore something that makes characters I followed have endings they don’t deserve in a ultimately wholesome show.
…feels like something that I am at a loss of coming up with some sort defense for. Twilight having a bad fate is one thing, but all her friends? Yeah, similar thoughts there. Weather to buy it or not, my advice is we still don’t know have the full arc and it maybe not quite as bleak as the snippets here suggest (even if it seems it is leading that way). So maybe wait a bit longer before deciding.
@Background Pony #6429
Also a thing to note, albeit I do think the picture from the comics, the leaks, and some of MYM and possibly TYT all point in a more tragic direction, so it does seem like something they are/were leaning into to various degrees. I do agree that this isn’t 100% set in stone as the definitive interpenetration/portrayal of events.
Background Pony #C374
lmao Why did they make it look like Twilight took all magic away? We already know what she did.
Background Pony #4AC7
Ik societies are not perfect, but damn, trying to piece the G4/G5 connections is confusing as hell.