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@CronoM
Considering we’ve seen what I think is a depowered Luna (the Alicorn at the end looks a lot like Luna right after she came back from being nightmare just in the new art style) in the newest G5 movie there’s possibly a connection to older legacies that we just have not seen the fact that they have actual toys from mlp’s time it seems that at least the main six were remembered in some form
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@archestereo
“EQ being canon and the seventh element being canon are two separate things.”
There is no reasonable way that is the case. If EG is canon, then EG movie 2 and EG movie 4 are canon, meaning a new spectrum appeared in the elements of magic being summoned when fighting the dazzlings, and even more damning, a geode collection in movie 4 mirroring the elements were found in everfree, and there were seven of them, one for Sunset.
By that point, almost all ambiguity regarding a seventh element was reduced to lower then 2% at best. I can’t give you more then that.
“As for Twilight and Sunset being the same age, that’s a straight up plothole. It goes beyond invalidating the idea of a human Sunset and invalidates the most fundamental premise of EQ entirely.”
One of the most reoccurring themes of FiM itself was the Mane 6 dealing with things in Celestia’s past, starting but certainly not stopping with Nightmare Moon. Twilight is Celestia’s apprentice an she’s a brown noser. But what if that wasn’t the case the first time around.
Sunset is the exact counterpoint to Twilight. Her relationship with Celestia was closer then just an apprentice and someday successor, more like mother and child, but at the same time things turned sour just like how Celestia let Luna’s anxieties turn Luna into Nightmare Moon.
They could of easily explained that time moved differently between dimensions before a permanent connection was made. I could literally cite a thousand fantasy and sci-fi fictions where such is the case.
But, similar to Sunset’s jab about Twilight not being entrusted from Celestia with secret knowledge about the elements and other worlds, we never get a direct answer or payoff. So many notes regarding important EG starting lore was left on the cutting room floor, lost and forgotten. Some of the dumber writers were more focused on giving Twilight a sudden human romance boy that went nowhere. Just because I like EG as a whole doesn’t mean I’m going to defend half of the first film’s writing. Heck, the main show was filled with rock bottom writing as well at times.
“@Tempè
“You do realize that them aging is pretty much to the point where Twilight fully grows into her Alicorn Hood it could be implied that they live in that state until magic disappears and since Twilight is the element of magic she most likely died or got kicked out of the damn universe when that happened”
So, are you saying the Mane 5 stay in their late 30s or so forever(until G5 magic apocalypse event) when Twilight grows into her prime Alicorn form? Cause she can likely use all the elements for a short time herself like Celestia did to Nightmare Moon, and thus, have some control over the rules of her fellow elements and their mortality? And they either all die together or fall into limbo together when magic is lost?
Afterall, Celestia sort of messed with the natural order sending Twilight that book, ensuring that one of the 6 elements outlives the other. One of six chosen mortal heroes heralding the return of harmony is singled out to outlive the others instead of just letting a new legacy take over with their aging and inevitable death.
But what if the natural order or Twilight rejected that idea and decided they would live and die together anyway, regardless of Celestia’s decision to deliver the book?
That’s a novel idea, and not completely off the table, if a bit overly optimistic a headcanon.
The only wrench in that idea is Pinkie Pie already having a child. The only way that issue would be fixed is if the disaster happened sooner then expected, before her child overcame her in age but still became an adult, and the Pie family on Pinkie’s side is living well in G5’s world somewhere.
This is getting into some really overly optimistic headcanon, but I’m not willing to dismiss it entirely because the idea that G5 is actually G4’s future, where things are so shot to hell even Clover the Clever from over a thousand years ago would be going ‘how did it get this bad’, I’m looking for any silver lining where some things from G4 can still be salvaged.
Something besides “Twilight’s reign was a disaster, everything fell apart, everyone died, no legacies survived or will ever be heard from again, magic died, and only now many years later is magic and harmony between ponies recovering a bit.”
Cause that’s the current picture. Eesh.
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@CronoM
Actually it stated by the card game that the crystal heart is the seventh element as it can be used as such to represent the type of love that friendship is supposed to be the element of empathy would be the 8th element (the layers of Canon in MLP go like this the original, (EG), the comics etc…
Yes, I am not denying the absolute mess that is the mlp canon. Even if we included the main canon as just MLP:FIM and EG, it just gets more confusing when they declared Season 10 would be the comics.
That being said, the Chrystal Heart’s actual usage in the show and the card game statement is so low below the totem pole, its basically impossible to link the Crystal Heart to the elements at all. The cards had some crazy stuff. It gave us an ACTUAL evil version of our Celestia that wasn’t just a figment of Starlight imagination (a lot of people forget that what the show gave us was nothing but Starlight’s imagination of an evil Celestia, not the real thing. But the “real” Nightmare version of Celestia was only given in the cards so…yeah, its a mess)
Basically the events of the comics before Season 10 could be considered a big extended timeline filled with comics, movies, and most episodes being canon. But that’s a discussion for a different time.
@archestereo
@Tempè
…I mean, the Crystal Heart was basically this show’s equivalent of the Master Emerald.
You’re not wrong in the slightest. The only difference is the Crystal Heart seems even MORE useless and superfluous…when working it makes ponies crystal ponies in the middle of a frozen wasteland that outright rejects habitation, and without it, even sans evil Sombra, the city almost instantly goes to hell without barriers.
I’m going to say it, the Crystal Empire is stupid. If Princess Amore is canon even in the slightest form, or whomever founded the Crystal Empire and created the Crystal Heart as its core, the whole idea was stupid and short sighted beyond belief. In fact, muddled canon aside, it makes me think only Amore could of concieved of an kingdom so inconvenient.
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@Tempè
…I mean, the Crystal Heart was basically this show’s equivalent of the Master Emerald.
  • hidden away in a remote and mysterious locale belonging to a lost people
  • said locale is affected negatively when without it
  • Big Bad tries to steal it and use it’s power to conquer everything
  • gets shattered and then reassembled
  • is a big shiny multifaceted magical macguffen
If it weren’t for the name, the blue coloring, being powered by love rather that chaos, the role that the Crystaling played in it’s reassembly and the fact it never seemed to affect the Elements of Harmony in any way, it’d practically be plagiarism.
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@CronoM
Actually it stated by the card game that the crystal heart is the seventh element as it can be used as such to represent the type of love that friendship is supposed to be the element of empathy would be the 8th element (the layers of Canon in MLP go like this the original show the comics the mobile app and the card game in that order if there’s nothing that contradicts the Canon of the higher layers then it is considered Canon to all versions of MLP that is why we didn’t see comic book additions such as the dragon central part of Manhattan in the actual story even though it’s basically a reference to Chinatown Little Italy and stuff like that)
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@archestereo
You do realize that them aging is pretty much to the point where Twilight fully grows into her Alicorn Hood it could be implied that they live in that state until magic disappears and since Twilight is the element of magic she most likely died or got kicked out of the damn universe when that happened
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archestereo

@CronoM
EQ being canon and the seventh element being canon are two separate things. Word of God aside, actual evidence in the show has been ambiguous at best.
That said, by this logic we should accept it as valid any time we’re told “a wizard did it”. which is exactly what all of the Word of God that’s been fed to the MLP fandom has amounted to, at best.
As for Twilight and Sunset being the same age, that’s a straight up plothole. It goes beyond invalidating the idea of a human Sunset and invalidates the most fundamental premise of EQ entirely.
And for what it’s worth, it’s never actually been specified just how big the gap between G4 and G5 is. Maybe Twilight technically did one-up Celestia, but then with alicorn to pass the torch to, no princess to pick up where her predecessor left off, no pony to continue the work that had been diligently attended to non-stop for millennia by alicorn princesses specifically, the neglect simply proved to be too much and everything went to shit. G5 even made Starscout’s semi-alicornification a turning point, as if Equestria can’t take care of itself without an alicorn mommy.
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CronoM

@archestereo
Element of Empathy” is simply an official/unofficial name some of the writers gave in replies regarding the 7th Element. The 7th elememt was never named on screen, but since the 7th elememt exists in the overall mlp:fim/eq canon(before you riot, see below), I’m calling it the Elememt of Empathy for simplicity’s sake.
That’s okay with you right?
Sunset appeared in Twilight’s final memories, the Sirens appeared in the show when Starswirled’s group banished them in a flashback, so they are canon and EQ2 is canon.
Yes I’m not going to deny these true but fragmented canon moments were partly due to differing opinions among the writers, but the final product is still the same.
“Remember how they told us that Twilight wouldn’t outlive her friends?”
As in most fandoms, Word of God is to be treated as canon or semi canon until the canon show proves otherwise
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CronoM

@archestereo
“then conveniently G5 picks up ages after everypony is gone anyway, with no explanation whatsoever as to what became of them, so that there was no way to either confirm or deny what they told us.”
I think that’s the least of the worries regarding the timeskip between G4 and G5. Unless they retract the statement that G5 takes place long after G4, the takeaway is that regardless of how long Twilight lived, her reign and her legacy ended so disastrously that not only did most alliances end, relationships between even the 3 main tribes of ponies have completely devolved. This is Clover-the-Clever-is-rolling-over-in-their-grave territory.
(Yes this a bit off topic for this picture, but sue me, G5 had way worse implications regarding how badly MLP:FiM’s ending turned out in retrospect beyond the writers lying to us that time. For all her faults, Celestia maintained peace for 1000 years. To say Twilight was ill prepared mentally for a similar task is a GRAND understatement.)
“If I didn’t make myself before, despite the fact that many of the minor and bg characters don’t have doubles, all of the characters of interest did, with the sole exception of the most pivotal character,Sunset Shimmer.”
The idea of being one of a kind between two dimensions and/or being the bridge between two dimensions is not a new concept for character types with backstories integrated with dimension hopping, like Sunset.
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There are also other factors that would make a Sunset born in the human world make no sense, like the phenomenon that made it so Sunset and Twilight would be roughly the same age when they met, despite that being impossible if Sunset stayed in Equestia, since Twilight was just a filly back then even if we imagine Celestia didn’t wait one week before finding a more moldable apprentice to replace Sunset.
In other words, my final thoughts on her is she is both world’s Sunset Shimmer. Her being one of a kind and irreplaceable between dimensions is part of what makes her the central character of the EG series. Sunset loves the human world and the pony world, so a conflict is always there of being in one dimension instead of the other.
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archestereo

@CronoM
…I’m sorry, but wasn’t the whole “Element of Empathy” thing just “Word of God” at best? There’s never been anything solid in G4 to support this and the answers fed to the fanbase over twitter have been more than a little sus. Remember how they told us that Twilight wouldn’t outlive her friends? Yet at the end of FiM, we see how her friends “age” while she, well, becomes even more of am alicorn, but then conveniently G5 picks up ages after everypony is gone anyway, with no explanation whatsoever as to what became of them, so that there was no way to either confirm or deny what they told us.
If I didn’t make myself before, despite the fact that many of the minor and bg characters don’t have doubles, all of the characters of interest did, with the sole exception of the most pivotal character,Sunset Shimmer. Trying to contrive a lack of gratitude for what we got isn’t going to change the obvious.
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Twi Clown
Cutest Little Devil - Celebrated the 14th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Rainbow Rocks 10th Anniversary: Adagio Dazzle - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of EQG Rainbow Rocks!
Pixel Perfection - I still call her Lightning Bolt
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Solar Supporter - Fought against the New Lunar Republic rebellion on the side of the Solar Deity (April Fools 2023).
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Kinship Through Differences - Celebrated the 11th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Verified Pegasus - Show us your gorgeous wings!
Preenhub - We all know what you were up to this evening~
Twinkling Balloon - Took part in the 2021 community collab.
Ten years of changes - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of MLP:FiM!
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
Artist -
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Condensed Milk - State-Approved Compensation
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday

Victory over chivalry
@CronoM
Take it easy man is just a joke about “human Sunset crossing a portal and still being a megalomaniac.”
Is not meant to be taken too seriously.
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CronoM

@archestereo
Starswirled failed Stygian as a friend, who was the most likely candidate to be the precursor Element of Empathy.
Fate works in weird ways in shows.
Sunset was going to be the 7th Element if given the chance, and the Pony World was never going to have her, so instead the Human world got her instead, despite her being born a pony.
Thus, two Sunsets were never born.
There can be only one.
Imagine that Sunset awakened as the 7th element of harmony in the pony world, but Tree of Harmony was only planted and grew with 6 in mind. Kind of awkward right?
If were going to talk missed opportunities, let’s talk about leaving ANY Sunset out of series completely.
Even if we ignore all story potential, all harmony beams in the latter series look like pea shooters compared to what was summoned in EG2.
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archestereo

@CronoM
…that isn’t really the point. It’s just kinda weird that we got to see doubles of the mane 6, their folks, and even a few fan favs but not Shimmer. That was a huge opportunity missed, especially since she’s responsible for these shenanigans in the first place.
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CronoM

@Twi Clown
the other Sunset.
Who?
There were members of Equestria high that didn’t have Ponyville or Canterlot equivalents. Considering the state of her flat, it doesn’t look like she took over the life of any pre-existing human Sunset Shimmer.
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Background Pony #2C2C
Twilight: “Sunset, we have a bit of a problem in Equestria.”
Sunset: “What is it?”
Twilight: “You.”
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Background Pony #2866
Maybe Ray should have still be the same size of a normal lizard if he’s in the pony world.
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