@Sanagi 蛹
 
Yeah, you’re kinda right on that one, I must admit.
 
The thought of whitewashing despite all authorial intent (a tweet from the guy who wrote this episode, from months ago) has kinda bugged me.
 
Yeah, I’ve possibly been a hypocrite on prior occasions, with different shows and characters, but here, in this case, people seem to be in denial that a character is being portrayed as outright irredeemable, and probably immutably so in canon.
 
Do I need a chill pill? Possibly.
 
It’s kind of like pretending you can redeem say, Cell from DBZ, going “but he just wanted to fight strong guys,” or something like that, when that’s… kinda glossing over the special kind of depraved he was.

@AC97  
You sure have a hard on against Chrysalis, do you? Just saying, not disagreeing.
 
@Background Pony #6715  
He works there to draw, not to make stories.

@PonyPon
 
I wonder what Pencils’ stance on the trio is? Remember he works for IDW, so he can probably make a story that reforms them if he wanted (and the old IDW backstory was made before he was working for IDW).

@PonyPon
 
Go from “dreamed of doing this since I was small” to “Chrysalis was apparently born an adult” why don’t ya?
 
But that’s another debate entirely.

@AC97  
Never doubt idw’s penchant for screwin’ things up.

@Background Pony #6715
 
Alright, I’ll bite: assuming Chrysalis had some hidden soft side/excuse for what she does… is that gonna be portrayed in any aspect of this franchise, in a canonical fashion?
 
Chrysalis is almost certainly not gonna get reformed in any official comics or anything related to G4, period.
 
You can have misguided fanon/AUs for that purpose.
 
She made it clear she’d never let Twilight and her friends be safe from them, that she’d always come back to haunt them.
 
Any hypothetical backstory or going “what if she was bluffing with the mutilation threat” theories presented without any evidence can be dismissed without a second thought, because they aren’t canon. (Especially when she was about to kill them all alongside the other two like 30 seconds later, so she’s 100% willing to kill Spike)
 
In official comics regarding Chrysalis, guess what? She never had a sympathetic backstory, with her apparently being born evil.

@Background Pony #6715  
It’s not the same thing. Garble acting tough in order to hide his true soft nature makes sense because he is a dragon. He lives among dragons. So it makes snese that he could just be acting like that in order to hide his true nice guy personality. He was trying prevent bullying from the other dragons. You saw what happened to Spike when he interacted with other dragons in Dragon Quest. The same thing could have happened to him. So Garble’s backstory makes sense.
 
 
Chrysalis on the other hand has no reason to be an undercover nice girl. And as mentioned before, Garble stopped being a bully and redeemed himself by helping save the dragon eggs while Chrysalis was given a second chance which she rejected and after being defeated for the last time she swore to return and have her revenge.
 
So once again. It doesn’t matter what reason or excuse she may have if she always rejected redemption in favor of chasing revenge.

@Background Pony #BAB6
 
But the very same applies to Chrysalis. We don’t have a backstory for her and the Changelings on the show. So they could easily “reveal” that she was secretly nice and bluffing about what she claimed she was going to do to Spike or something happened that gave her trust issues or she had abusive parents or any number of excuses just like Garble if someone wanted to make a sequel to this.

@Background Pony #6715  
First of all. I don’t know. I wasn’t there to ask them. But let’s say it wasn’t the idea from the start. So what? Do you think the writers had Twilight’s fear of quesadillas or her love of burgers in mind from the beggining? Likely not. So what? We now we know she’s afraid of quesadillas and loves hayburgers. New ideas appear over time. It doesn’t always have to be something taught up from the start. As the show goes on we find out more things about the characters even if they are recent ideas and the writers didn’t have it in mind from the start.
 
Second of all. How is it a retcon of his character? Yes there was no clue before to suggest that he might be a nice guy underneath but there was nothing disproving it either. It’s not like he was given a tottaly different backstory back in 2012 and then the writers where like “hey remember when we gave Garble a backstory? Well I don’t like it,so let’s change it! Now he is a nice dragon acting all edgy so the other dragons won’t mock/bully him”. He didn’t have any kind of backstory but now he has one. Giving a backstory to a character without one isn’t a retcon.

@Background Pony #BAB6
 
And you really think that when Garble was introduced back in 2012, the writers had this “true self” in mind? That this isn’t just a retcon on his character?

@Background Pony #6715  
Except we’re not comparing her with other characters in fiction. We’re comparing her to Garble because the Legion of Doom apologists always point to him and cry about how he got reformed but not the LoD.
 
And no. It’s not the same thing. Garble stopped hiding from his true self,became an open nice guy and helped save the dragon eggs thus redeeming himself. A freudian excuse for Chrysalis means nothing if she keeps rejecting redemptions in favor of revenge.

@Background Pony #6715
 
I’m sure someone can grasp at straws in an attempt to validate the perception that choosing revenge over your people is somehow noble, like the oft-repeated train of thought “there just has to be a downside to metamorphosis.”
 
But not me.
 
It was wrong when Starlight did it in the wake of her delusional lies falling apart, and it was especially wrong when the appeal to being a good leader failed with Chrysalis, when it seemed she briefly thought about it.
 
I’m fairly sure Twilight would sleep well at night if she ever had to kill her. Just like with Sombra. She already knows Chrysalis has atomized any chances of reasoning with her a hundredfold.
 
Whether Chrysalis can theoretically be redeemed or not doesn’t matter: she doesn’t think she has a problem, because it hurts her pride to even entertain the thought, even if it’s her fault, therefore, she’ll never change. You can see that in how she made mistakes/misjudgements out of arrogance multiple times throughout the series, despite being intelligent.

@Background Pony #BAB6
 
It’s exactly how it works. Any writer that comes up with a sequel to this can say “oh Chrysalis rejected friendship because something bad happened to her in the past” or any other excuse really and it would be just as valid as Garble in season 9.
 
And if we compare her to other characters in fiction. I can think of plenty that rejected friendship multiple times but eventually became best buds with the main cast.

@Background Pony #6715
 
@Background Pony #6715  

 
 
Better late than never. At least he has a reason for his actions unlike Chrysalis who is just an imperialistc powerhungry terrorist.
 

 
 
@Background Pony #6715  

 
 
This isn’t how it works. Garble accepted his true self and redeemed himself while Chrysalis was offered a second chance and she rejected it. And even in this very episode she didn’t want to accept friendship and redemption and still swore to return for revenge. Not to mention that what Chrysalis did was far worse than what Garble did. As mentioned before Chrysalis is a tyrant and a terrorist while Garble was just a bully and an edgelord.
 
So no matter what excuse Chryssy gets,she still rejected redemption and showed no remorse in her actions. While Garble came out of the closet as a nice sensitive guy and helped save the Dragon eggs.

@Background Pony #BAB6
 
Except Garble’s “sensitive” side wasn’t revealed until 7 seasons after he was introduced. Anyone that writes a sequel to this can reveal anything they want on Chrysalis to justify her actions as well.

Yeah. The character who tried to rip a baby dragon’s wings off is such a good girl who deserves redemtion and forgiveness.
 
 
And before any legion of doom apologists show up with the classical “But Cozy Glow is also a child!!!!!!!111!!!” and “But Garble also tried to hurt Spike,kill baby phoenixes and claimed that if he was king he would sack Equestria!!!! Why does he get reformed and not muh kween?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111!11111111111one” whataboutisms. You’re comparing apples to bananas here. Yes Cozy Glow is also a child. But the difference between her and Spike is that Spike is a nice,friendly,kind and helpful guy while Cozy Glow is a power-hungry psychopat who tried to erase all magic from Equestria,it’s special talent is to manipulate others,collaborated with Tirek,is completly aware of the consequences of her actions and despite attending Twilight’s school she didn’t become a better pony whatsoever.
 
As for Garble. He was just a teenager who wanted to look tough in order to hide his true sensitive nature. And that boast about him sacking Equestria was probably just that, a boast! While Chrysalis was a tyrant who starved her own people just to manipulate them and a terrorist who invaded a peacful country and imprisoned it’s political figures. Not to mention the fact that in the end Garble finally came out of the closet and officially became a good guy while Chrysalis was offered a second chance and she rejected it.
 
And no! That scene in Frenemies was not meant to show that she (and the rest of the legion) can still be redemed! It was meant to show that they are not interested in changig their ways and they would be evil till the end.

@Red-Supernova  
The one with Ember in it.  
And it’s not rated safe

chrysalis wouldn’t dare rip off spikes wings?

@alexi148  
Which one?

I’m having flashbacks to that one comic…

@Red-Supernova  
I know mate. It’s called being sarcastic.

@Magic Man  
Still not changing my mind. Any villain regardless of their future fate would resort to threatening to hurt someone the hero loves as a dirty tactic.

@Sanagi 蛹
 
Yeah, I think you’re right. People who have Chrysalis avatars seem to have a tendency to like her as a villain, not want her to change.
 
Chrysalis is the type of villain you should plain enjoy seeing be evil, one that you Love to Hate, put your sadistic side as a writer into if you have her playing a role in a story. She isn’t really the type you’re supposed to feel sympathetic for, there’s other sorts of villains for that role.
 
If Chrysalis ceased to be both evil and cruel, then what is she at that point?

@Sanagi 蛹
 
I like her, too