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And I’m not the only one to point out this hypocrisy either.

You’re not?

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Here’s a proposition: Try to put yourself in the other side’s shoes for a moment. Please, bear with me and allow me to guide you here.

You’re tired of all this shitposting that’s blind hate over Starlight, right? That’s understandable. It’s an annoying thing that feels (and in many cases probably also is) stupid, pointless and they just fuel bitterness, don’t they? It’d be so much better if we could just do without them…

Here’s the thing, though: That’s exactly how me and others have felt with most of Starlight’s appearances after her redemption (and starting there too).

And just like you apparently can’t help but to show up to argue in defense of Starlight, some just can’t help but to lash out, which comes in the form of shitposting.

And you can complain about it all you want, but it’s not really going to change anything. You can either accept it, or continue struggling with what’s basically an attempt to change the direction of the river’s flow.

I understand that there will always be sposts no matter what. But that doesn’t mean we have to accept them without question. We can point out how immature and wrong they are, as you have with these recent Spike sposts. Also, there are certainly characters in the show I can’t stand, yet you don’t see me ranting about them all the time.

Do you realize that if there was a medal for whiteknighting Starlight, you would have already won it, right? Or do you still actually believe you’re not one of Starlight’s most hardcore defenders?

I am not whiteknighting Starlight, nor am I one of her most hardcore defenders. If you want to see what that looks like, go check out MegaAnimationFan. Or any of the BP’s that post pro-Starlight s***posts. I see some of the same flaws that you do with her character, and I would happily list them out to anyone who asks. Unlike you, I just don’t force myself to always view her in a negative light.

While I applaud the sentiment, I do feel inclined to point out that I can’t recall a single instance of seeing you show up at one of those pro-Starlight shitposts to call out OP on it.

Because to me, those aren’t even worth the time to look at. I choose to just ignore them, as I also now do with most anti-Starlight s***posts.

Probably, but at least they help maintain the awareness that there are troubles with Starlight’s writing.

There are better ways to do that than creating poignant posts that deliberately seek to rile people up.

Like I said already, they’re often just lashing outs. Yeah, they ain’t going to fix the issue, but having you complaining about them isn’t going to help in any way, either. I advised this before and I will again, if you don’t want to deal with these, just black-list Starlight Drama already and be done with it.

The problem isn’t me here; the problem is that you refuse to condemn them like you have with s***posts of other characters. It’s makes no sense to me why one should be denounced while the other condoned when both equally trashy.

Cloud, there’s been quality Starlight episodes since as far back as Season 6.

I still sustain that “No Second Prances” is a great episode, an outright amazing one, even, because when you stop to think critically about it, you realize that it’s got dozens of flaws and continuity problems (and if you actually wanna hear them out, just check this review and you’ll have it all), but even then, the conflict it presents is so well put together, making you feel for all three characters that are trapped in the ensuing drama so well, that it’s SO good it actually overshadows all the flaws and leaves a really nice taste afterwards. It’s really an amazing episode.

Starlight lacking quality episodes has never been a real issue (unlike many other things), even I enjoyed her in “The Parent Map” and “The Mean 6” (they freaking gave her an actually unique relationship with Applejack! Took over two seasons but she’s FINALLY got a relationship with one of the Mane 6 (that isn’t Twilight) that feels real!). It’s for that “quality” to remain consistent that’s the problem. And because of the track record, you can’t just point at one good episode and say “Hey, this proves that it’s fixed, right?”, because what’s needed her is a really long run of Starlight appearances that don’t generate drama to properly cement that the problem has been addressed.

Fair enough. (No Second Prances was actually my favorite episode of season 6.)

Alas, taking into account some of her latest appearances, I’m starting to suspect that she’ll also play a key role in this season finale, so if you were hoping for the drama to die out, I’d advice you to get ready for disappointment.

The leaked synopses don’t make any mention of Starlight in the finale. If she does still make an appearance, the most she could have is a supporting role.

Either way, though, even if you’re right and I’ve got my own bias, so what? Does that make my view any less valid? Your own perspective isn’t lacking in bias either.

The point is that for many she as already reached that milepost. So you personally not believing she has (which you are entitled to) doesn’t hold much water as an argument against not condemning Starlight s***posts and Starlight hate.

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Your mistake here is to assume “blind hate” could have any sort of justification, or that it needs one. By its own definition, blind hate is hate that lacks a coherent reasoning behind it. It simply is, and whether we like it or not, it exists without needing to justify its existence to anyone.

I made no mistake here. You disagreed with me that Starlight hate (not criticism) is pointless and stupid, which led me to believe you might have some sort of justification for it. Even if the hate lacks any and all coherent reasoning, that doesn’t mean we have to tolerate it.

You can explain or justify it however you want. It’s not gonna change the fact that she did something awful and that the whole of it, plus how easily she got off after it by simply giving an apology that she didn’t even intend to make until Twilight basically told her to, left me and others really pissed off by the end of the episode.

Yes, Starlight made a huge mistake, but understanding the full circumstances and not just hastily drawing conclusions is important. Doing something awful when you should know better versus doing something awful without really comprehending why it’s so awful are two very different things. As for the apology, Starlight didn’t initially give one because she wasn’t aware of the full extent of her actions. Once Twilight got her up to speed, she didn’t hesitate to give the remane 5 a full apology. Those are not easy to make, especially one as genuine and raw as Starlight’s. But even if we look past that, it’s worth remembering that Twilight has also let people “off the hook” persay for much worse transgressions (Discord in “Twilight’s Kingdom” comes to mind).

I’m perfectly aware that the episode presented Starlight’s impulsive and drastic decision as exactly what was needed to make things right. I don’t care. You know why? Because as I’ve stated before, I whole and completely disagree with the message given there. So if your friends (or just acquaintance) are behaving stupidly, the right thing to do is to impose your will upon them to get them to see things differently?

FUCK. THAT!

The fact you’re getting this worked up over a fictional character says a lot about you. Anyway, switching the cutie marks was a last resort by Starlight. She had tried to get them to talk things out, but that only resulted in them becoming even angrier at each other and physically removing her from the conversation. There was also no way the two of them would willingly step into the other’s shoes.

Which – for the record – are actual criticism? Well, see them?

Claiming she’s being shoved down our throats and is taking over the show when she only ever has a few episodes dedicated to her per season (something which has actually been shrinking with each passing season) isn’t criticism. In fact, that claim has been debunked so many times that at this point it’s just beating a dead horse.

You’re not going to make me view any of these episodes in a new way by bringing up details about them that you think I might have missed. I’ve already thought them through and analyzed them in every possible way. I thought of every possible explanation and justification just as I’ve considered every overly-negative interpretation that I could think of. All these things you’re bringing up are not stuff that I’ve missed. They’re stuff that I’ve already taken into account, but even with them, the sum of it all is the conclusion that these episodes outright suck.

I know I will never change your mind; your bias against Starlight is just too strong. I just think there’s a fair counterargument to be made against your claims, even if you yourself will never buy into it. As for this particular discourse, I didn’t even initiate it with the intention of changing your mind. I was merely pointing out that it’s a bit ironic that you denounce mindless hate against Spike but at the same time condone similarly idiotic behavior towards Starlight. And I’m not the only one to point out this hypocrisy either.

“Mirror Magic” proves them right. That fiasco of an episode all but states that this is the mindset that someone in Hasbro with a say on how the show is run actually operates and/or thinks this way!

That one special–which I will readily admit was one of Starlight’s poorer showings–does not define her entire character. Even you can’t claim that all her episodes have played out that way.

Are you seriously asking this? What nepotism? Well, in case the above illustrations weren’t enough, here’s for you: The way she keeps getting easily forgiven over and over again for every fuck-up she makes (and I know this hasn’t happened in recent times, but it still happened way too many times for comfort), while other characters have had to work hard across prolonged periods of time to even get the benefit of the doubt! (or are forgiven just as easily as Starlight, but then completely forgotten by the narrative like Gloriosa Daisy, Juniper Montage, and given the records, probably Stygian and Wallflower Blush as well, ironic as it may be. Note that none of them were gifted a privileged position or a shiny place to live, though) The way the protagonists are arbitrarily made useless so that she can be the hero! More than once! The way other characters are made to act unreasonable or forget their former development so that she can appear like the only one with a reasonable mind! The way she keeps being given key roles in every Season Finale or Premiere up to date, or even midway episodes where she has no reason for being there other than to get shrilled by the narrative!

THAT nepotism. You seriously ought to be blind to not see at least some of it.

I’m not seeing anything that’s outside of the norm for this show. As I said above, forgiveness is a common trait of Twilight’s. Even so, Starlight’s path to redemption was hardly a walk through the park. Among other things, she had to fight through crippling confidence issues and the constant fear of sliding back. There has only been one time where protagonists were sidelined so she could play the main hero (“To Where and Back Again”), and even then there was a reason for their capture (we’re talking about creatures that can shapeshift into anyone and anything). Her roles have been less prominent with each premiere and finale; she was the protagonist for the season 6 finale, but she was only a supporting character (albeit an important one) in the season 7 finale. And she only had an active role in half of the season 7 premiere (although the first part was about her future, she had no involvement wasn’t the one learning the lesson). If she appears in the episode and has no particular influence on the plot, it’s to show she’s a natural addition to the world. Would you rather they go back to the season 6 style where she only exists when the plot needs her to?

When there’s at least one Season Premiere or Finale past her introduction where she doesn’t play a key role more important or unique than that of the ReMane 5, then I’ll start to believe that.

While she did play a crucial role in “Shadow Play”, she was not anymore important than the mane 6. Her instincts alone obviously could not have completely resolved entire the conflict. She had a minor role at best in “School Daze”. All she did was give Twilight some words of motivation.

I just established before that Starlight had no business being in “Mark for Effort” to begin with. Cozy Glow could have confessed her fucks up to Twilight, any of the Mane Six, the Student Six, or just the CMC themselves, and that could have just as easily led to the same narrative conclusion.

Cozy didn’t know what to do in that moment, and she was probably too afraid to approach Twilight (whom she had just witnessed harshly rebuking the CMCs) and crusaders, who very well might react angrily at her. The guidance counselor’s office–a warm environment she would be able to calmly discuss what happened–was the best place she could go.

Heck, when you think about it, because of Starlight’s occasional inability to see past her own wants and shortsightedness (as illustrated by “Every Little Thing She Does”) and her “Crutch” about relying on magic to twist things in a way that makes her more comfortable (illustrated in too many episodes to bother counting), you’d… fuck…

Starlight has largely moved past both of those flaws (she was even anti-magic in “Shadow Play”).

But instead they just went with this cheap mini-arc in an episode that was totally unnecessary and served just to validate her without doing any real progress on her character. Her only “struggle” is that she’s not getting any students needing counseling (which is hard to believe considering the school has so many students and so many are from outside Equestria and are bound to need some counseling), then she gets the one case which she can fix as easily and serving as a messenger, and voila, she gets validated! Here, Starlight, why don’t you have a cookie while you’re at it!?

This is because she’s already made significant progress; as I said above, she gotten much better at keeping those flaws in check. “Marks for Effort” was proof of that progress.

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I agree that’s it’s important to address those issues, but gross exaggerations–which make up most of the Starlight s***posts–add nothing of value to the discussion and only create more division.

Here’s a proposition: Try to put yourself in the other side’s shoes for a moment. Please, bear with me and allow me to guide you here.

You’re tired of all this shitposting that’s blind hate over Starlight, right? That’s understandable. It’s an annoying thing that feels (and in many cases probably also is) stupid, pointless and they just fuel bitterness, don’t they? It’d be so much better if we could just do without them…

Here’s the thing, though: That’s exactly how me and others have felt with most of Starlight’s appearances after her redemption (and starting there too).

And just like you apparently can’t help but to show up to argue in defense of Starlight, some just can’t help but to lash out, which comes in the form of shitposting.

And you can complain about it all you want, but it’s not really going to change anything. You can either accept it, or continue struggling with what’s basically an attempt to change the direction of the river’s flow.

I’m not giving a free pass to Starlight whiteknights here either.

Do you realize that if there was a medal for whiteknighting Starlight, you would have already won it, right? Or do you still actually believe you’re not one of Starlight’s most hardcore defenders?

Trust me when I say I find the pro-Starlight sposts just as annoying and pointless than the anti-Starlight sposts, if not more.

While I applaud the sentiment, I do feel inclined to point out that I can’t recall a single instance of seeing you show up at one of those pro-Starlight shitposts to call out OP on it.

I concur that it is important to recognize the problems with her character,

Like I said before, then, you can start by stopping with the justifications regarding her portrayal.

but Starlight s***posts don’t do that.

Probably, but at least they help maintain the awareness that there are troubles with Starlight’s writing.

All they do is make her flaws seem worse than they really are. And mindlessly bashing her certainly isn’t going fix those issues any faster.

Like I said already, they’re often just lashing outs. Yeah, they ain’t going to fix the issue, but having you complaining about them isn’t going to help in any way, either. I advised this before and I will again, if you don’t want to deal with these, just black-list Starlight Drama already and be done with it.

Starlight’s episodes have also increased markedly in quality. The majority of viewers have enjoyed her past few episodes.

Cloud, there’s been quality Starlight episodes since as far back as Season 6.

I still sustain that “No Second Prances” is a great episode, an outright amazing one, even, because when you stop to think critically about it, you realize that it’s got dozens of flaws and continuity problems (and if you actually wanna hear them out, just check this review and you’ll have it all), but even then, the conflict it presents is so well put together, making you feel for all three characters that are trapped in the ensuing drama so well, that it’s SO good it actually overshadows all the flaws and leaves a really nice taste afterwards. It’s really an amazing episode.

Starlight lacking quality episodes has never been a real issue (unlike many other things), even I enjoyed her in “The Parent Map” and “The Mean 6” (they freaking gave her an actually unique relationship with Applejack! Took over two seasons but she’s FINALLY got a relationship with one of the Mane 6 (that isn’t Twilight) that feels real!). It’s for that “quality” to remain consistent that’s the problem. And because of the track record, you can’t just point at one good episode and say “Hey, this proves that it’s fixed, right?”, because what’s needed her is a really long run of Starlight appearances that don’t generate drama to properly cement that the problem has been addressed.

Alas, taking into account some of her latest appearances, I’m starting to suspect that she’ll also play a key role in this season finale, so if you were hoping for the drama to die out, I’d advice you to get ready for disappointment.

The only reason Starlight has gotten “there” for you is because of your own bias.

Did you mean “the only reason Starlight hasn’t gotten there” in there?

Either way, though, even if you’re right and I’ve got my own bias, so what? Does that make my view any less valid? Your own perspective isn’t lacking in bias either.

If “you’re biased” is your argument, then don’t bother. Bias don’t invalidate an argument, they just give it context.

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Criticism I can fully understand (and have absolutely no problem with), but what possible justification is there for the blind hate?

Your mistake here is to assume “blind hate” could have any sort of justification, or that it needs one. By its own definition, blind hate is hate that lacks a coherent reasoning behind it. It simply is, and whether we like it or not, it exists without needing to justify its existence to anyone.

Starlight was still starting out and had been dodging friendship lessons when “Every Little Thing She Does” took place. It’s no shock she would have been prone to old tendencies and making mistakes.

You can explain or justify it however you want. It’s not gonna change the fact that she did something awful and that the whole of it, plus how easily she got off after it by simply giving an apology that she didn’t even intend to make until Twilight basically told her to, left me and others really pissed off by the end of the episode.

Despite the impulsive magic, she had much Starlight’s intentions in “A Royal Problem” were far more selfless than in any other past instance where she’s used magic on the fly. Not to mention the episode made it pretty clear drastic actions like switching cutie marks was the only way to resolve the issue.

I’m perfectly aware that the episode presented Starlight’s impulsive and drastic decision as exactly what was needed to make things right. I don’t care. You know why? Because as I’ve stated before, I whole and completely disagree with the message given there. So if your friends (or just acquaintance) are behaving stupidly, the right thing to do is to impose your will upon them to get them to see things differently?

FUCK. THAT!

“Mirror” Magic” is part of the EQG-verse and so far has had little to no bearing on the events of the show, even if it is technically canon.

I don’t know what the hell that has to do with the fact that “Mirror Magic” is easily the worst of the worst to have come out of MLP, and nothing but a blatant attempt to shrill Starlight at the expense of near every other protagonist in the show (the only exception being Spike, ironically enough, considering who this thread is about)

See these pics?

Which – for the record – are actual criticism? Well, see them?

“Mirror Magic” proves them right. That fiasco of an episode all but states that this is the mindset that someone in Hasbro with a say on how the show is run actually operates and/or thinks this way!

And look, the three parts that I quoted before? Just… seriously, do yourself and quit trying to change my mind.

You’re not going to make me view any of these episodes in a new way by bringing up details about them that you think I might have missed. I’ve already thought them through and analyzed them in every possible way. I thought of every possible explanation and justification just as I’ve considered every overly-negative interpretation that I could think of. All these things you’re bringing up are not stuff that I’ve missed. They’re stuff that I’ve already taken into account, but even with them, the sum of it all is the conclusion that these episodes outright suck.

You don’t have to like it that I think this way, but it’s not your say. You can either just accept it and finally agree to disagree, or just keep banging your head against the wall because you’ve convinced yourself of this illusion that I’m objectively wrong and I just need to be proven so.

What nepotism?

Are you seriously asking this? What nepotism? Well, in case the above illustrations weren’t enough, here’s for you: The way she keeps getting easily forgiven over and over again for every fuck-up she makes (and I know this hasn’t happened in recent times, but it still happened way too many times for comfort), while other characters have had to work hard across prolonged periods of time to even get the benefit of the doubt! (or are forgiven just as easily as Starlight, but then completely forgotten by the narrative like Gloriosa Daisy, Juniper Montage, and given the records, probably Stygian and Wallflower Blush as well, ironic as it may be. Note that none of them were gifted a privileged position or a shiny place to live, though) The way the protagonists are arbitrarily made useless so that she can be the hero! More than once! The way other characters are made to act unreasonable or forget their former development so that she can appear like the only one with a reasonable mind! The way she keeps being given key roles in every Season Finale or Premiere up to date, or even midway episodes where she has no reason for being there other than to get shrilled by the narrative!

THAT nepotism. You seriously ought to be blind to not see at least some of it.

Her role has been shrinking with each passing season.

When there’s at least one Season Premiere or Finale past her introduction where she doesn’t play a key role more important or unique than that of the ReMane 5, then I’ll start to believe that.

As a matter of fact, some were complaining that she didn’t have enough of a role in today’s episode (“The Mean Six”). Cozy Glow didn’t know what to do after she got her friends into trouble “Marks for Effort”, so where better to go in that moment for advice than to the guidance counselor? This also provides an opportunity to show the significance of Starlight’s position in a school where the curriculum revolves around friendship. Up until that point, we just had to accept without question that a guidance counselor at the school was necessary. The interaction between Starlight and Cozy gives us an actual reason why.

I just established before that Starlight had no business being in “Mark for Effort” to begin with. Cozy Glow could have confessed her fucks up to Twilight, any of the Mane Six, the Student Six, or just the CMC themselves, and that could have just as easily led to the same narrative conclusion.

Mind you, though, I wouldn’t exactly be opposed to an episode about Starlight seeking out how to live up to her role as Guidance Counselor. If it’s anything like “The Parent Map” (which as stated before, I considered to be a pretty good episode), it could be pretty good, specially since the whole point about the episode would be about Starlight trying to help others to pursue what they want according to their own vision.

Heck, when you think about it, because of Starlight’s occasional inability to see past her own wants and shortsightedness (as illustrated by “Every Little Thing She Does”) and her “Crutch” about relying on magic to twist things in a way that makes her more comfortable (illustrated in too many episodes to bother counting), you’d… fuck…

Like, this is the sharpest double-edge sword that has sadly cut the wrong way…

I mean, when you take that into account, you realize the recent criticism about her being the worst possible choice for a Guidance Counselor – a job that requires patience, to put herself in someone else’s shoes, and where she can definitely NOT magic her way out (lord forbids she tries…) – which on one hand shows that this is yet another instance of the writing just giving her a role just ‘cause and not because it’s something that fits or works itself in organically.

Yet when you think about it, they had the perfect chance to do something genius here and have a whole episode about Starlight struggling with this role, and the episode revealing around the end that Twilight actually gave her this position exactly as a means to train her into every aspect where she was lacking. Riske on Twilight’s part, but it would have served a great function.

But instead they just went with this cheap mini-arc in an episode that was totally unnecessary and served just to validate her without doing any real progress on her character. Her only “struggle” is that she’s not getting any students needing counseling (which is hard to believe considering the school has so many students and so many are from outside Equestria and are bound to need some counseling), then she gets the one case which she can fix as easily and serving as a messenger, and voila, she gets validated! Here, Starlight, why don’t you have a cookie while you’re at it!?

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Criticism I can fully understand (and have absolutely no problem with), but what possible justification is there for the blind hate?

Starlight was still starting out and had been dodging friendship lessons when “Every Little Thing She Does” took place. It’s no shock she would have been prone to old tendencies and making mistakes. Despite the impulsive magic, she had much Starlight’s intentions in “A Royal Problem” were far more selfless than in any other past instance where she’s used magic on the fly. Not to mention the episode made it pretty clear drastic actions like switching cutie marks was the only way to resolve the issue. “Mirror” Magic” is part of the EQG-verse and so far has had little to no bearing on the events of the show, even if it is technically canon. What nepotism? Her role has been shrinking with each passing season. As a matter of fact, some were complaining that she didn’t have enough of a role in today’s episode (“The Mean Six”). Cozy Glow didn’t know what to do after she got her friends into trouble “Marks for Effort”, so where better to go in that moment for advice than to the guidance counselor? This also provides an opportunity to show the significance of Starlight’s position in a school where the curriculum revolves around friendship. Up until that point, we just had to accept without question that a guidance counselor at the school was necessary. The interaction between Starlight and Cozy gives us an actual reason why.

I agree that’s it’s important to address those issues, but gross exaggerations–which make up most of the Starlight sposts–add nothing of value to the discussion and only create more division.

I’m not giving a free pass to Starlight whiteknights here either. Trust me when I say I find the pro-Starlight sposts just as annoying and pointless than the anti-Starlight sposts, if not more. I concur that it is important to recognize the problems with her character, but Starlight sposts don’t do that. All they do is make her flaws seem worse than they really are. And mindlessly bashing her certainly isn’t going fix those issues any faster.

Starlight’s episodes have also increased markedly in quality. The majority of viewers have enjoyed her past few episodes. The only reason Starlight has gotten “there” for you is because of your own bias.

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@Alexlayer
The hate (note: not criticism) against Starlight is just as stupid, pointless, and unreasonable though.

That I disagree with, so I think agreeing to disagree is the best compromise we’ll get there.

Unlike these Spike posts, they can’t even be bothered to acknowledge Starlight’s progress. (and yes, she has made significant progress; that’s a fact.)

That’s a very variable statement. Every time I dared think she was getting better before, it was followed by the awful episodes (mainly “Every Little Thing She Does”, “A Royal Problem” and “Mirror Magic”), and while I’d be inclined to agree her presentation as a character has gotten better, the nepotism she gets from the writing still hasn’t been addressed. “Mark for Effort” is the perfect example of this (which, ironically, came after “The Parent Map”, which was yet another one that made me think the writing with her was getting better), where she’s fine characterization-wise (Back to “Mark for Effort” here), but let’s be honest here, that episode did not need her solving the issue for the actual protagonists, which she wasn’t.

It might stem from real flaws with her character (which I will admit without hesitation she has), but it’s been exaggerated to such an extreme where there is simply no truth left anymore.

I recognize some of the “starlight drama” that pop up are exaggerated and sometimes ridiculous, but so long as the issues remain, there’s a true behind them, even if it’s not properly compelled.

Not to mention that’s still no excuse for whiny and immature behavior.

Because Starlight Defenders have never behaved like that either, right?

Real talk, though, yes, none of this is excuse for being a dick, but responding to it in kind isn’t going to help either. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, only by recognizing the problems with Starlight’s writing and having them addressed will the whole topic go away, which, case in point…

Also, it’s not like Spike doesn’t have any flaws with his writing either (“Spike at Your Service”, “Triple Threat”).

Why, yes, Spike had several episodes that left much to be desired, but ever since Season 6, his episodes have been some of the best, where previously a good Spike episode was the exception rather than the rule. When and if Starlight gets there – which she hasn’t yet, as far as I’m concerned – you can bet at least most of the Starlight Drama is gonna go away.

And this isn’t even getting into some of the crazier Starlight s***posts which lack any and all logic.

Second verse, same as the first: ¯(ツ)/¯

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The hate (note: not criticism) against Starlight is just as stupid, pointless, and unreasonable though. Unlike these Spike posts, they can’t even be bothered to acknowledge Starlight’s progress. (and yes, she has made significant progress; that’s a fact.) It might stem from real flaws with her character (which I will admit without hesitation she has), but it’s been exaggerated to such an extreme where there is simply no truth left anymore. Not to mention that’s still no excuse for whiny and immature behavior. Also, it’s not like Spike doesn’t have any flaws with his writing either (“Spike at Your Service”, “Triple Threat”). And this isn’t even getting into some of the crazier Starlight s***posts which lack any and all logic.

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What Spike is getting lately is just stupid, pointless hate. It’s not even reasonable in the slightest and whoever is posting these clearly doesn’t even think there’s a point, since it’s often stuff that acknowledges his progress but still wants to decry him as pathetic nonetheless.

What Starlight gets – at least from me – is criticism. Sure, often enough it’s not well thought out and it comes out as nothing but silly hate, but it’s really rooted in all the flaws from her writing.

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Are you honestly that dense?

You clearly don’t like it when people rag on and s***post about Spike continuously, so why can’t you understand that others also might not be appreciative of similar behavior featuring Starlight?

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So, in other words, Starlight deserves to be the target of completely pointless and pathetic s****posts (like this one) just because she’s not quite on the same level as some of the other characters in the show? That’s kind of immature, to say the least. If you ask me, no character* deserves to be subjected to this kind of childish treatment, no matter how many flaws they have.

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Alexlayer

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That’s only on the assumption that Spike and you-know-who are on the same level regarding quality as characters. As far as I’m concerned, they’re not.

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On one hand, I completely agree with you; these constant Spike hateposts from BP are getting really pathetic and annoying. On the other, though, I can’t help but detect a bit of hypocrisy.

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