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> It’s because of your own bias that things are major issues for you to begin with.
 
It’s not just bias, Cloud. Because… well, let’s pick on that pin from before, where I said “More on this later…”, because between writing these posts, I realized there was yet another occasion of Starlight saving the day while everyone else is either useless or incompetent, and that is ID
W’s Comic Series Issues #48-50: Chaos Theory.
 
Here we got a story where Accord (Reverse!D
iscord, basically) is actually using what you’d call “Order Magic” to brainwash everyone into being extra friendly and complying in the name of a world of harmony, and though many characters try to do something about it (by which I mean, Celestia, Twilight and Luna. The ReMane 5 are there but, again, they might as well not be by how relevant they are to the story), none of them succeed, until everyone *but* Starlight is brainwashed.
 
And throughout the story, Starlight is the only one to ever
point out that Accord, as he is, might be a problem before he actually- becomes one. She’s the only one to call him out on it, while everyone thinks everything is fine. She’s the one comforting Celestia in a time of need while the ReMane 5 do nothing. And as you can expect, she’s the one who ultimately saves the day by convincing Accord to renounce his ways and return to being Discord.
 
And you can say “That’s not part of the
main/canon story”, but that doesn’t matter, because what this does is show that, in whatever official (aka, non fanfic) presentation there is, THIS is at the core of Starlight’s character. This:
 
“She’s not just a new main character, she’s now the most special character. She’s the one who will save the day in place of the previously established main characters. She’s the only one the writers care about, to the point they won’t hesitate to make others look bad, unreasonable or incompetent if it means they can make her look better. She’s also the only one whose narrative and development the writing cares about. She’ll be the voice of reasons where everyone else is oblivious. She’ll be a key part to the solution in every special episode there is, Premiere or Finale!
Isn’t she just AWESOME?”
 
And if you don’t think th
at’s a problematic basis for a character, then I don’t know what to tell you. And no, don’t try to pretend that’s not the case because you don’t have evidence to back it up. When and if there’s ever a Premiere or Finale that doesn’t have her as a key factor, *then* I’ll believe we’re finally moving away from this.
 

>
> > Oh, so now my views are bias, but yours are facts?
>
> I admit I have my own biases, but everything I've been bringing up is taken directly from what is presented in the show. At very least, your interpretation of events is not the only one.
 
Then don’t tell me that “my bias keep me from seeing the facts”, because then the same can be argued about you.
 

>
> > And Starlight has in multiple times done whatever she could to avoid her friendship lessons, and has simultaneously managed to both set Twilight’s house on fire and flood it at the same time, that’s without even mentioning brainwashing her friends, yet she’s always getting away with not even a slap on the wrist.
>
> All those things you mentioned happened on one incident (ELTSD
) which she did express genuine remorse over.
 
- She was also trying to avoid her Friendship Lessons in “The Crystalling” (trying to get Spike distracted so he wouldn’t push her towards it) and in “No Second Prances”, she ditches her Friendship Lesson when it’s getting though for a Spa Session, and lo and behold, she lands exactly where she needed when she ain’t even trying. Not to mention in that same episode she also willingly and consciously ditched her appointment with Twilight in favor of Trixie.
 
But lord forbids she suffers any consequences for that, right? And don’t pretend she did. All the pain she suffered there was because of Trixie revealing her intentions. Twilight let her go for her lack of compromise with *nothing* of consequence.
 

> For all her mistakes, Starlight has still made far more of an effort to be friends with Twilight than Discord or Trixie ever have.
 
That’s a statement I find debatable, but I’ll let it slide, if only because that topic gets too complicated and this is already running too long anyway.
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Eternal Flame

[bq]It’s because of your own bias that things are major issues for you to begin with.[/bq]
It’s not just bias, Cloud. Because… well, let’s pick on that pin from before, where I said “More on this later…”, because between writing these posts, I realized there was yet another occasion of Starlight saving the day while everyone else is either useless or incompetent, and that is IDW’s Comic Series Issues #48-50: Chaos Theory.

Here we got a story where Accord
(Reverse!Discord, basically) is actually using what you’d call “Order Magic” to brainwash everyone into being extra friendly and complying in the name of a world of harmony, and though many characters try to do something about it (by which I mean, Celestia, Twilight and Luna. The ReMane 5 are there but, again, they might as well not be by how relevant they are to the story), none of them succeed, until everyone _but_ Starlight is brainwashed.

And throughout the story, Starlight is the only one to ever point out that Accord, as he is, might be a problem before he actually becomes one. She’s the only one to call him out on it, while everyone thinks everything is fine. She’s the one comforting Celestia in a time of need while the ReMane 5 do nothing. And as you can expect, she’s the one who ultimately saves the day by convincing Accord to renounce his ways and return to being Discord.

And you can say “That’s not part of the main/canon story”, but that doesn’t matter, because what this does is show that, in whatever official (aka, non fanfic) presentation there is, THIS is at the core of Starlight’s character. This:

“She’s not just a new main character, she’s now the most special character. She’s the one who will save the day in place of the previously established main characters. She’s the only one the writers care about, to the point they won’t hesitate to make others look bad, unreasonable or incompetent if it means they can make her look better. She’s also the only one whose narrative and development the writing cares about. She’ll be the voice of reasons where everyone else is oblivious. She’ll be a key part to the solution in every special episode there is, Premiere or Finale! Isn’t she just A
WESOME?”

And if you don’t think th
at’s a problematic basis for a character, then I don’t know what to tell you. And no, don’t try to pretend that’s not the case because you don’t have evidence to back it up. When and if there’s ever a Premiere or Finale that doesn’t have her as a key factor, _then_ I’ll believe we’re finally moving away from this.

[bq][bq]Oh, so now my views are bias, but yours are facts?[/bq]
I admit I have my own biases, but everything I've been bringing up is taken directly from what is presented in the show. At very least, your interpretation of events is not the only one.[/bq]
Then don’t tell me that “my bias keep me from seeing the facts”, because then the same can be argued about you.

[bq][bq]And Starlight has in multiple times done whatever she could to avoid her friendship lessons, and has simultaneously managed to both set Twilight’s house on fire and flood it at the same time, that’s without even mentioning brainwashing her friends, yet she’s always getting away with not even a slap on the wrist.[/bq]
All those things you mentioned happened on one incident (ELTSD) which she did express genuine remorse over.[/bq]
- She was also trying to avoid her Friendship Lessons in “The Crystalling” (trying to get Spike distracted so he wouldn’t push her towards it) and in “No Second Prances”, she ditches her Friendship Lesson when it’s getting though for a Spa Session, and lo and behold, she lands exactly where she needed when she ain’t even trying. Not to mention in that same episode she also willingly and consciously ditchedI her appointment with Twilight in favor of Trixie.

But lord forbids she suffers
any consequences for that, right? And don’t pretend she did. All the pain she suffered there was because of Trixie revealing her intentions. Twilight let her go for her lack of compromise with _nothing_ of consequence.

[bq]For all her mistakes, Starlight has still made far more of an effort to be friends with Twilight than Discord or Trixie ever have.[/bq]
That’s a statement I find debatable, but I’ll let it slide, if onl
y because that topic gets too complicated and this is already running too long anyway.
)
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Alexlayer
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Eternal Flame

[bq]It’s because of your own bias that things are major issues for you to begin with.[/bq]
It’s not just bias, Cloud. Because… well, let’s pick on that pin from before, where I said “More on this later…”, because between writing these posts, I realized there was yet another occasion of Starlight saving the day while everyone else is either useless or incompetent, and that is IDW’s Comic Series Issues #48-50: Chaos Theory.

Here we got a story where Accord (Reverse!Discord, basically) is actually using what you’d call “Order Magic” to brainwash everyone into being extra friendly and complying in the name of a world of harmony, and though many characters try to do something about it (by which I mean, Celestia, Twilight and Luna. The ReMane 5 are there but, again, they might as well not be by how relevant they are to the story), none of them succeed, until everyone _but_ Starlight is brainwashed.

And throughout the story, Starlight is the only one to ever point out that Accord, as he is, might be a problem before he actually becomes one. She’s the only one to call him out on it, while everyone thinks everything is fine. She’s the one comforting Celestia in a time of need while the ReMane 5 do nothing. And as you can expect, she’s the one who ultimately saves the day by convincing Accord to renounce his ways and return to being Discord.

And you can say “That’s not part of the main/canon story”, but that doesn’t matter, because what this does is show that, in whatever official (aka, non fanfic) presentation there is, THIS is at the core of Starlight’s character. This:

“She’s not just a new main character, she’s now the most special character. She’s the one who will save the day in place of the previously established main characters. She’s the only one the writers care about, to the point they won’t hesitate to make others look bad, unreasonable or incompetent if it means they can make her look better. She’s also the only one whose narrative and development the writing cares about. She’ll be the voice of reasons where everyone else is oblivious. She’ll be a key part to the solution in every special episode there is, Premiere or Finale! Isn’t she just AWESOME?”

And if you don’t think that’s a problematic basis for a character, then I don’t know what to tell you. And no, don’t try to pretend that’s not the case because you don’t have evidence to back it up. When and if there’s ever a Premiere or Finale that doesn’t have her as a key factor, _then_ I’ll believe we’re finally moving away from this.

[bq][bq]Oh, so now my views are bias, but yours are facts?[/bq]
I admit I have my own biases, but everything I've been bringing up is taken directly from what is presented in the show. At very least, your interpretation of events is not the only one.[/bq]
Then don’t tell me that “my bias keep me from seeing the facts”, because then the same can be argued about you.

[bq][bq]And Starlight has in multiple times done whatever she could to avoid her friendship lessons, and has simultaneously managed to both set Twilight’s house on fire and flood it at the same time, that’s without even mentioning brainwashing her friends, yet she’s always getting away with not even a slap on the wrist.[/bq]
All those things you mentioned happened on one incident (ELTSD) which she did express genuine remorse over.[/bq]
- She was also trying to avoid her Friendship Lessons in “The Crystalling” (trying to get Spike distracted so he wouldn’t push her towards it) and in “No Second Prances”, she ditches her Friendship Lesson when it’s getting though for a Spa Session, and lo and behold, she lands exactly where she needed when she ain’t even trying. Not to mention in that same episode she also willingly and consciously ditched her appointment with Twilight in favor of Trixie.

But lord forbids she suffers any consequences for that, right? And don’t pretend she did. All the pain she suffered there was because of Trixie revealing her intentions. Twilight let her go for her lack of compromise with _nothing_ of consequence.

[bq]For all her mistakes, Starlight has still made far more of an effort to be friends with Twilight than Discord or Trixie ever have.[/bq]
That’s a statement I find debatable, but I’ll let it slide, if only because that topic gets too complicated and this is already running too long anyway.
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