cloudkicker108 
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> As I illustrated above, that tends to happen more often than you’re willing to admit. Again, though, if the writers had, let’s say, “eased” Starlight into us by having her shine along the main cast first, and then maybe give her her own adventure, it might have worked better, but they went about it in the worst possible way instead.[/bq]
And as I've said before, that happens less than you think it does. I will admit, though, that having a "Shadow Play" like story before a TWABA story might make more logical sense for Starlight's character.
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> It’s not that on itself (though I’m not sure what “key part of her character growth” you’re referring to here), but rather, it’s moments like Discord implying she’s practically ready to be an Alicorn now, Twilight apparently having way too many Friendship Lessons that Starlight outright mastered even though we as the audience have only really seen her stumble with those over and over, and that they’re presented her as something like “Friendship Graduated” after only one season (when the arguable equivalent for this for Twilight (aka, when she became an Alicorn) took about three seasons), much of it filled with stumbles on Starlight’s part, and that the conclusion wasn’t even an adventure that highlighted friendship, only Starlight’s bravery and resourcefulness.[/bq]
Don't tell me you actually thought Discord was being serious. He was just messing with others, as he always does. I think saving all of Equestria would have covered a lot of the friendship lessons Twilight had planned. Starlight graduating does not imply she's a master at friendship, let alone worth of alicorn status. She came up with her ideas in TWABA because she learned of their strengths by communicating and working with them.
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> Yes, that much is all technically right, but like I said before, give me a Premiere or Finale where her role is completely interchangeable with that of the ReMain 5 (aka, not a Key role), and then I’ll believe they’re done trying to shove her down our throats.[/bq]
If there was a role that both she and one of the mane six could play and she was picked, wouldn't that just mean the staff are playing favorites with her? Shouldn't she have a role that highlights the strength of her own character?
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> Maybe, but truth be told, I don’t buy it that they were going with this because it was the most realistic/believable response, but because they wanted to shrill Starlight yet again, otherwise they wouldn’t have ended the episode with Twilight walking up to Starlight to validate her on her role like they did.[/bq]
Maybe you would if you didn't automatically assume any appearance of Starlight means she's going to be shilled.
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> And your opinion is yours, and it’s not anymore factual than mine.[/bq]
There's a clear progression with her magic use though. It goes from using it for personal benefit, to using to spare the feelings of a friend, to using it selflessly to solve a worsening split between two friends, and to advising against it.
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> I mean, you’re totally right there, but just because there are other “Starlight Defenders” that are far more aggressive and rabid than you, that doesn’t mean that what you’re doing is any less of “Starlight White-Knighting”. Besides, while you’re definitely more eloquent than others, you’re also the most persistent one in this endeavor, so I’d argue you’re actually White-Knighting her the most, just not as aggressively as others do.[/bq]
White-knighting implies I'm rushing to defend her without even thinking about if she needs to be defended. If that were the case, I would be responding to every piece of anti-Starlight sentiment I come across. That's clearly not the case.
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> Uhm, thanks? But at the same times, those posts do also come from other human beings, they aren’t being generated by some shitposting AI or something like that. ^^U[/bq]
I know. As with comments, I distinguish the opinion or thought expressed from the person behind it.
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> Mh, well, I guess that’s a fair point. Thing is, though, where have you seen shitposting for Starlight of the sort that Spike has been getting lately, which is basically just saying “I don’t care what good episode he just had, he still sucks because I say so”? There have been posts about Glimmy that are exaggerated (and only to some extent), like the ones I illustrated before, but like I pointed out right there, they all stem from real criticism on the writing, which has shrilled Starlight in ways I simply can’t agree with.[/bq]
That honestly describes most Starlight s***posts. For instance there was this post which tried to insinuate that Starlight's role in "Shadow Play" was the exact same as her role in TWABA:
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There was also this one which bq]ashed Starlight's role in Uncommon Bond *before the episode even came out*:
>>1554833t
> You call it hypocrisy, I call it just treating each character by what they’ve each earned. You may disagree, but like I said before, your view isn’t anymore factual than mine. It’s true that shitpostings tend to be exaggerated, but I honestly couldn’t equate the recent Spike shitposting with Starlight’s.[/bq]
Of course you couldn't. Because your bias against her somehow let's you excuse the stupidity and immaturity of Starlight s***posts.
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> As I illustrated above, that tends to happen more often than you’re willing to admit. Again, though, if the writers had, let’s say, “eased” Starlight into us by having her shine along the main cast first, and then maybe give her her own adventure, it might have worked better, but they went about it in the worst possible way instead.
And as I've said before, that happens less than you think it does. I will admit, though, that having a "Shadow Play" like story before a TWABA story might make more logical sense for Starlight's character.
[bq]
> It’s not that on itself (though I’m not sure what “key part of her character growth” you’re referring to here), but rather, it’s moments like Discord implying she’s practically ready to be an Alicorn now, Twilight apparently having way too many Friendship Lessons that Starlight outright mastered even though we as the audience have only really seen her stumble with those over and over, and that they’re presented her as something like “Friendship Graduated” after only one season (when the arguable equivalent for this for Twilight (aka, when she became an Alicorn) took about three seasons), much of it filled with stumbles on Starlight’s part, and that the conclusion wasn’t even an adventure that highlighted friendship, only Starlight’s bravery and resourcefulness.
Don't tell me you actually thought Discord was being serious. He was just messing with others, as he always does. I think saving all of Equestria would have covered a lot of the friendship lessons Twilight had planned. Starlight graduating does not imply she's a master at friendship, let alone worth of alicorn status. She came up with her ideas in TWABA because she learned of their strengths by communicating and working with them.
[bq]
> Yes, that much is all technically right, but like I said before, give me a Premiere or Finale where her role is completely interchangeable with that of the ReMain 5 (aka, not a Key role), and then I’ll believe they’re done trying to shove her down our throats.
If there was a role that both she and one of the mane six could play and she was picked, wouldn't that just mean the staff are playing favorites with her? Shouldn't she have a role that highlights the strength of her own character?
[bq]
> Maybe, but truth be told, I don’t buy it that they were going with this because it was the most realistic/believable response, but because they wanted to shrill Starlight yet again, otherwise they wouldn’t have ended the episode with Twilight walking up to Starlight to validate her on her role like they did.
Maybe you would if you didn't automatically assume any appearance of Starlight means she's going to be shilled.
[bq]
> And your opinion is yours, and it’s not anymore factual than mine.
There's a clear progression with her magic use though. It goes from using it for personal benefit, to using to spare the feelings of a friend, to using it selflessly to solve a worsening split between two friends, and to advising against it.
[bq]
> I mean, you’re totally right there, but just because there are other “Starlight Defenders” that are far more aggressive and rabid than you, that doesn’t mean that what you’re doing is any less of “Starlight White-Knighting”. Besides, while you’re definitely more eloquent than others, you’re also the most persistent one in this endeavor, so I’d argue you’re actually White-Knighting her the most, just not as aggressively as others do.
White-knighting implies I'm rushing to defend her without even thinking about if she needs to be defended. If that were the case, I would be responding to every piece of anti-Starlight sentiment I come across. That's clearly not the case.
[bq]
> Uhm, thanks? But at the same times, those posts do also come from other human beings, they aren’t being generated by some shitposting AI or something like that. ^^U
I know. As with comments, I distinguish the opinion or thought expressed from the person behind it.
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> Mh, well, I guess that’s a fair point. Thing is, though, where have you seen shitposting for Starlight of the sort that Spike has been getting lately, which is basically just saying “I don’t care what good episode he just had, he still sucks because I say so”? There have been posts about Glimmy that are exaggerated (and only to some extent), like the ones I illustrated before, but like I pointed out right there, they all stem from real criticism on the writing, which has shrilled Starlight in ways I simply can’t agree with.
That honestly describes most Starlight s***posts. For instance there was this post which tried to insinuate that Starlight's role in "Shadow Play" was the exact same as her role in TWABA:
>>1557774t
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There was also this one which b
>>1554833t
> You call it hypocrisy, I call it just treating each character by what they’ve each earned. You may disagree, but like I said before, your view isn’t anymore factual than mine. It’s true that shitpostings tend to be exaggerated, but I honestly couldn’t equate the recent Spike shitposting with Starlight’s.
Of course you couldn't. Because your bias against her somehow let's you excuse the stupidity and immaturity of Starlight s***posts.