NANI THE BUCK?

guys,how could you even got to arguments with even this pic?  
It’s just a random question on CNBronyCon,and the scence did actually happend

@Starswirl  
For the first one, Starlight didn’t mean to use magic; the sisters backer her into a corner, and she let instincts take over. How she behaved afterwords helps show that it wasn’t her plan. Also, unlike most other times, magic was a way to finding the solution, not a short cut. I think that’s why it isn’t seen as her abusing magic, unlike if she used mind control instead.
 
It would also be nice if we also got to see Celestia being a mentor to Twi more. Sadly, this show doesn’t show very much of relationships outside of friendships, and it hurts them at times.

@Meanlucario  

 
With the contrast of Twilight’s big magic abuse not being presented as a good thing while A Royal Problem ended up praising Starlight for it. I get why ponies love many things in that episode, but that detail always bothered me personally.
 
@Meanlucario  
I’ve said before: I would welcome some actual mentor/student interaction between Starlight and Twilight regarding Friendship. Just like I would love to see Flash and Sunset talk about what happened between them before she turned her life around. We got a hint of that in LoE.

@Starswirl  
The episode right afterwords indicated that Twi wasn’t right. I think we’re just so used to two-parters indicating that a character advanced in their story so much, that the writers needed to poke fun at that train of thought.

@Meanlucario  
It was never established what lesson Starlight taught Princess Twilight.  

 
It was always… something. Apparently something in a long line of things that proved Starlight had advanced beyond anything Twilight could teach her, if you go by her own words.

I don’t hate flash sentry. I hate his creators because they couldn’t have him guarding along with other normal ponies, oh no. they couldn’t possibly make him a crystal pony, because he’s too precious to them to change even a little bit. no, they had to ruin the entire dynamic of the crystal empire by adding a regular pegasus pony among crystal ones just to crowbar their oc into the plot. talentless hacks!
 

 
oh yeah and uh… dating twilight brad stole mai waifu or something I guess.

Sorry for the late response, but we lost power, and it was fixed after I went to bed.
 
@Background Pony #EF2B  
You have seen her episodes, right? Other than Royal Problems, magic never solves the problem, and even than it was Celestia and Luna seeing eye-to-eye that solved the episode’s problem. Also, Didn’t properly read your comment. Star is used to using magic as a solution, and that’s part of her character, and she has grown out of it by season 7. Star did see the problem and tried to fix it without using magic, they just forced her into a corner. I get people not liking her, but calling her a Sue is going too far.
 
@Background Pony #EF2B  
Just like Twilight before her.
 
Something I thought of during the lost of power is that abusing magic and it biting them in the butt is a theme dating back to season one, mostly with Twi.

@Background Pony #EF2B  
Starlight’s schtick at that point was being a former villain trying to change for the better, but doesn’t quite “get” morality until season 7. She basically screwed up royally and pays for it by failing miserably, and gets called out for it by both her teacher and her friends and has to work to fix what she’s done, which she does.
 
And let’s all be honest with ourselves here, Starlight has only relapsed once, how many times has Discord relapsed?
 
Withholding information about those plunder vines and barely doing anything to help when he was summoned.
 
His partnership with Tirek.
 
His temper tantrum at the gala.
 
Not to mention several other instances where he decided to mess with Fluttershy’s friends when her back was turned just because he could.
 
A villain that relapses once and learns from their mistakes is better than one that tends to relapse at the drop of a hat and would gladly do it again as long as they don’t get caught.

>Discord worked for his redemption  
>betrayed whole pony race for lel  
>he felt bad about it! We’ll forgive him he’s for real this time!  
>worked for refemption  
I don’t mind Discord but your double standard is quite comedic

@darknessRising24  
Discord worked for his redemption it wasn’t somethings handed to him on a silver plater. The instent he screwed up he would have gone right back into stone. He had to work to convince the other ponies to trust him and be his friend. And when he was set free there was still sceptasium over wether he would stay that way. Everyone just accepted starlight after one musical number and everything was sunshine and lolypops

@Background Pony #EF2B  
So did Discord, twice. And don’t say “we” like you speak for everyone here.

@darknessRising24  
She also almost destroyed Equestria so we’re at zero for her

@Background Pony #EF2B  
I’d say saving Equestria counts, Sunset would agree.

@darknessRising24  
Ok so as a kid she blamed cutie marks for her misfortune. But she was a full grown adult when she formed the cult. As an adult she became a low functioning socio path that almost ended the world cause twilight got rid of her safe space. And you can say that the time travel thing never happened but she’s still responsible for the cult, and even thaw she was forgiven, she didn’t earn that forgiveness, there just saying sorry an’t then there’s actually atoning for what you did. And if she did get a good beating I wouldn’t say she’s a writer’s pet as much

@Background Pony #EF2B  
pay attention to the show next time then

@Background Pony #E5B6  
Are we watching the same show. I’ve pretty shore I’ve watched the same show as you and I don’t see any of that. And like I said I don’t know her because the shoes has done nothing to let us know who she is. Yes she takes responsibility for her actions but that amounts to squat if there’s no consequences for her actions.

@Background Pony #EF2B
 
You can’t apply Celestia doing well for one night to what Luna’s been doing for years. For all we know that was just a slow night and there weren’t many nightmares to take care of. So that little argument is irrelevant.
 
Yes, her back story is kind of petty and silly, but there’s something you need to remember, but first lemme bring up an example:
 
Let’s take a look at Neji Hyuuga from Naruto, his cousin Hinata was kidnapped by a Cloud Ninja who was murdered by her father, the Cloud Village demanding compensation in the form of her father’s life, however Neji’s dad took his place.
 
Who did Neji blame for most of his life? The Cloud Village for kidnapping his cousin in the first place? NOPE! He blamed his cousin for getting kidnapped despite the fact that she was five at the time (until Naruto beat some sense into him)!
 
The point is: Children don’t logic much.
 
Let’s be honest with ourselves, we’ve all done stupid stuff as kids, you need to remember that some children’s minds are fragile, easily influenced, and can blow things out of proportion, it can get the point where they base their entire philosophy around it and are eventually so locked into that mindset that anything opposing it is a foreign concept to them.
 
 
She’s already gone through her redemption the same way Sunset did. So at this point, there’s nothing to be gained by hating her. Nothing will be accomplished by holding onto her past as a villain.
 
I’m just sick and tired of nearly everyone under the sun treating Starlight like she’s​ the incarnation of Satan, if it was at the start of season 6 then I’d get it, but we’re nearing the middle of season 7 right now. By this point Starlight-hate has become just as pointless as Flash-hate.

@Background Pony #274D  
Do you even know her? oh wait, you don’t. you’ve spewd only some of her character traits and pretend that those are all about her character. her recklessness, questionable morality, neutral disposition, fragileness, her shattered worldview, extremely emotional, her dependent on magic, impulsiveness, her gradual growth, her self-esteem issues, her “every pony gets what they want, everybody wins” mindset, how she fails to be a good person but keep trying, how she wants to be loved by others, her sweetness beneath misguidance, her own style in making friends, how she’s socially almost child like, how she needs a guidance from other ponies, etc) I can go on, but you get the point. you conveniently ignored all of this. and she does learn from her mistakes. in ELTSD she didn’t even aware of her problem until Twilight and Spike pointed out but in A Royal Problem she did aware of her problem, felt guilty and tried to fix the issue, took her responsiblity.

@darknessRising24  
Ok she’s like twilight, but we alredy have a twilight. If she dose have any character then it’s not a new character. And again the moment things don’t go her way she flys off the handal and gose right to the extramarital and forces the solution with magic. This is not a good thing and you don’t seem to get that. That’s the attitude of a spoiled brat that need thing to alway go there way. And from Royal Problom Celestia didn’t get past one dream and everything was fine. I don’t think Luna is overwhelmed on average

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@Background Pony #274D  
I love how you can put all that into her and yet immediately claim up Starlight has nothing.
 
Starlight his kind of like Twilight from season 1, magic is pretty much her everything, so handling situations without it and still somewhat new into her. And although she does tend to use it often she is shown to be able to try and dial it back and try a different situation first. Such as when she actually tried to get this royal sisters to talk with each other first.
 
Not to mention the fact that personality-wise she is socially awkward when it comes to new experiences or situations that she’s unprepared to adapt to.
 
And you seem to forget that Luna got overwhelmed as well, and she watches over the dreams of ponies, big difference.
 
Plus it’s her against several thousand Changelings while the rest of the royals were taken in their sleep.
 
So yeah, case closed.

@darknessRising24  
if you take all that stuff away from twilight you get a pony who loves learning new thing and has a love of magic. a pony who ends up taking her studies to the extreme to under stand how things work. and as for your argument about ponies being asleep. Luna watches over the night your argument is invalid

@Background Pony #274D  
That’s like saying if you take away Twilight’s friends, her wings and castle, and her status as Princess Celestia’s student, then all she is is a pony likes books.
 
 
As for Chrysalis’ takeover; it’s easy to take someone out when they’re asleep.
 
That episode wasn’t just about making Starlight a hero, though. It was also about Discord, Trixie, and Thorax who all played equal roles in infiltrating the changeling hive.

@621Chopsuey  
It should be that simple. The mere fact that someone other than the elements is called should’ve debunked any theory that it’s restricted only to those six. And besides, this opens up more possibilities for map episodes if it can call anybody, or at least others who have close relationships to the elements themselves. Don’t you guys wanna see where that goes rather than over analyze why all of Equestria doesn’t revolve around six characters anymore?
 
@Background Pony #274D  
Stop. Just stop it.