@Background Pony #21EF  
Sunset was unwillingly transformed into a demon when she did that stuff and she still had to do manual labour. And people were still mad at her, its just that the backlash wasn’t as strong because at the time we didn’t think we would ever see her again as there was no reason to think that equestria girls would have a sequal so there was no fear of her stealing the spotlight or ruining the group dynamic of the main characters.

But no one ever gets angry at sunset for Mind raping the school…  
So why is starlight any different?

@Cirrus Light
 
Well yeah I can accept that. The problem here is that Glimmer is more like someone threatening to bomb something and Twilight is trying to talk her down. Then all of a sudden Glimmer opens up and Twilight doesn’t open up in return. While it could be seen as respectable it’s ridiculously safe and doesn’t really solve anything. Twilight also didn’t even open herself up to Glimmer. She pretty much effectively shut down any link she would’ve had to Glimmer. It makes any open attitude Starlight has to Twilight extremely baffling really.

Yes, Bending the space-time continuum over and yaying it in the back door would be a pretty serious crime.
 
Oh, but let’s not forget the kidnapping of those ponies in the equal village.  
I assume she find wandering ponies, lured them to her town, stole their cutie marks, then locked them in the Brainwashing, I mean “Re-education” house until they broke. So kidnapping, assault, psychological torture.
 
Throw the book, the bookshelf and the library at her Twilight.

I thought the wasteland scene was awesome.

@Jades  
I dunno, from what I’ve heard, after someone say, loses a child, if people tell them, “I know what it’s like,” they stayed polite but secretly felt angry that they’d say that, so I imagine they’d probably appreciate someone saying, “I don’t know what it’s like…”, it seems more respectful, to me, at least. It’s acknowledging that it’s something big and serious.

@Cirrus Light
 
Forget what I said about the reference I got that confused forget something else. I honestly should stop staying up so late.
 
Anyways that’s kinda my point. Twilight says she doesn’t know the pain she don’t go through doesn’t mean she should lack the capacity to empathize with her. While she definitely shouldn’t know the pain of losing a friend to a Cutie Mark she should know what the feeling of going some what unhinged over something related to Friendship is. Her situation with Moondancer should’ve allowed her to build off some empathy for her but apparently such a thing is foreign to Twilight.
 
Twilight did not respect Glimmer from what I saw. She just said she couldn’t understand her pain cutting off all empathetic connection to Glimmer. Glimmer was literally an open target. Her being vulnerable still after her backside is an immense shattering suspension of disbelief.

@Jades  
Maybe they’ll send her back to her village after marrying her and Sunburst?

@Jades  
How is that a reference? Read:  

Can you seriously not see how dialogue works? Maybe this would make it more clear:  

 
[statement]. [support for statement]. Is a pretty typical way to talk. Also, I don’t think we actually have the punctuation, but a colon would fit there just as well as a period.
 
Also, “Starlight, you’re right! I don’t know what you went through!” is pretty darn clearly acknowledging that Starlight has gone through something hard; Twilight’s saying that she can’t understand what Glimmer went through, and that Glimmer’s right… You know, despite all the crap that Twilight went through she never even tried to say, “Hey, I’ve been through some crap, too!”, she just immediately respected Starlight’s “pain” by saying she didn’t know what it was like.

@Cirrus Light
 
How the heck is that a reference? This is something Glimmer has believed her entire life. Yet Twilight’s answer is to say such a thing is ridiculous? I don’t know about you but everyone I’ve met would’ve been pissed off and completely unengaged from the person who said such a thing if such a situation were too happen unless Glimmer is a emotional masochist.
 
Her not knowing what she went through in the slightest in any way possible is kinda my point. She failed in any way to empathize with Glimmer. She didn’t acknowledge anything she said had any truth to it. All she did was ignore it and suggest she join her little philosophy that opposes Glimmer.
 
No need to bring up the rest of the dialogue though. It’s kinda self contradictory honestly with how they say every friendship is equally as important yet none lead to a wasteland like Twilight and her friends do.

@Cirrus Light  
Well then community service may be a better fit though I feel that someone’s personality type should have no weight when it comes to deciding on a punishment.
 
Any type of official punishment would have been fine with me so long as starlight accepted it as her due without complaint.

@Jades
 

She’s referencing the fear that a cutie mark would take her friends away, which is entirely different from mocking what she went through. To the contrary, she showed respect for it:  

 

 
@Mr grump  
It doesn’t matter how “nicely spirited” you lock someone in a prison, you’re still locking them in a prison and taking away all control over themselves. For a personality type that feels a compulsive need to be in control, it would be kinder to beat them repeatedly every day for a week.
 
Putting someone who has a need to feel in control in a prison would break them - and most likely, not in a “good” way. I know this from experience (Never been to prison, but relatively trivial situations have been more than strenuous enough).

@Cirrus Light
 
No but Twilight calling her backstory ridiculous is insulting her backstory. Any words she should’ve had towards Glimmer should’ve failed after such a failure to empathize.

@Cirrus Light  
It’s not about provoking her, there doesn’t need to be anything mean spirited about it.  
It’s about holding everyone accountable for their actions, something that a truly repentant starlight would have no problem accepting.

@Jades  
“Really? That’s what you’re upset about?” is insulting her backstory. Urging her to give friendship another chance and promising her she can be happy if she does, isn’t.
 
@Mr grump  
I already addressed her stating she was willing to accept punishment, so I’m not going to address it again.
 
But I will answer the latter part; “If I provoke the snake, it will bite me, therefore, it deserves to be provoked because it would bite me if it was!”

@Cirrus Light  
Starlight was perfectly willing to accept punishment and she should have been given one with the promise that once she had completed it there would be people waiting to put her on the right path.
 
If starlight had decided to reject her punishment or whine about it being unfair that she was being punished at all then that means she was lying about being ready to accept responsibility for her actions and her committment to reformation would be in serious doubt.
 
Also if she snaps again that quickly right after she had undergone a punishment she herself said she deserved then that would only be proof that she is a dangerous phycho and justified her punishment even more.

@Cirrus Light
 
Starlight making herself vulnerable would’ve been fine if Twilight actually opened up to her in return. Instead she flat out insulted Glimmers backstory meaning Starlight’s vulnerability should be gone and nothing Twilight should’ve said should’ve reaches to her.

@Mr grump  
@PonyPon
 
It’s always been a heavy fantasy deal, like Tartarus, or something very cartoony - the wild west jail.
 
But you know, then again, there is precedent with Power Puff girls and other superhero shows, and they had a DBZ -type fight scene, so maybe, yeah.
 
I think the biggest problem is, though, that when she was sorry she made herself vulnerable, and by forgiving her, that’s the best chances of making an ally/friend. But if she’d given her some months-long sentence, then Twilight makes it very likely that Starlight would go back to being bitter and angry.
 
“Give friendship a chance. I’ll show you that you can be happy this way. You can make friends who won’t leave or betray you!”
 
“O~~… okay. I’ll trust you… I’ll give this a chance…”
 
“Haha, psyche! Into the slammer, jerk!”
 
Now I wonder what Glimmer’s odds of turning herself around after THAT would be…
 
This would be roughly the equivalent of giving Moondancer a second chance with friendship, inviting her to a party, then standing her up.
 
Emotionally, Starlight was the same, only harder, and she responded in a more forceful way than Moondancer’s simply giving up on social life.
 
Whether she “deserved it” doesn’t fit into factoring how she would feel about it. Starlight said she was willing to accept a punishment, but I highly doubt that wouldn’t breed, at least suppressed feelings of resentment, which would only fester into her finally snapping again because she felt betrayed again.
 
After all, she’ll see giving up to Twilight as a mistake if it makes her miserable in prison again (and as someone who has a strong need for control, I’m sure it’d be hell to her).
 
If you had a plan for taking down a royalty figure, and it was going swell for you ~~ with some doubt - but you eventually give in to that doubt and trust your fate to that figure, then bam, she turns around and throws you in prison, making you more helpless than a slave back when you used to hold the world in your hooves, twice (cult princess, then time Lord), you’re going to start thinking,
 
“You know, I’m starting to doubt that the wasteland was really inevitable… I really should have kept going. I could be queen right now, in a palace with servants, but instead I’m a slave and I have prison guards watching me pee and I really wish I could just feel grass on my hooves just for a minute…”

@Mr grump
 
I honestly don’t get how they expect people to buy her as sympathetic. Her redemption is already poisoned by an enraging contrivance and really I don’t think it’ll help her case whatsoever if when she shows remorse the source of it will be someone loads of people hate.
 
I don’t know maybe they’ll make her anymore actual flawed character in S6.

@Vree  
They have a police guard force and other government functions.

@Vree  
but one already exists and has already been shown on the show.

@Mr grump  
>expecting prisons in a happy kid’s show  
kek

@Jades  
yep, I agree. if twilight had actually issued a light prison sentence or something similar and starlight accepted it then most of the problems people have with her would have been a non issue.
 
Season 6 could have opened after a 9 month time skip with starlight being released after having served her sentence and the main 6 helping with her rehabilitation. hell, that would have explained flurry hearts quick gestation and could easily be the scene right before they all got on the train to travel to the crystal empire.

Honestly if they had retconned that wasteland scene out entiely and had this happen and show her feeling remorse and the impact of her actions here instead of poisoning it with the wasteland scene I could honestly see how she could have good writing in the future.

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